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Technicolor Dreams and B/W Nightmares...
« on: June 20, 2013, 09:18:36 am »
There are some pictures this morning in Thunderbean Thursday at cartoonresearch.com that will be featured on Technicolor Dreams and Black and White Nightmares.

http://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/eshbaugh-a-sneak-peak-at-technicolor-dreams-and-black-white-nightmares/

As the last of the old 'fundraisers' goes out and collector's choice wraps up, I'm thinking of offering a sneak peak of 'Technicolor Dreams' on DVD. What do you folks think?

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Re: Technicolor Dreams and B/W Nightmares...
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2013, 09:23:33 am »
I'm in!

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 09:56:34 am »
As the last of the old 'fundraisers' goes out and collector's choice wraps up, I'm thinking of offering a sneak peak of 'Technicolor Dreams' on DVD. What do you folks think?

You ask that like there's a chance we may say no.  :tweetie:

So, reading the article, I notice you've made the decision to go down the Blu-Ray route, but you also mention DVDs. So, simultaneous release in both formats? Is this how it's going to be from now on? Or am I reading too much into it? Just curious as to what's next for Thunderbean!

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 11:02:49 am »
It's a real debate on how to release it. My first thought for this set is to do a combo- BluRay plus a DVD perhaps. 

I'm asking because there's been a bunch of them in the past 6 months or so.  They quite honestly help cover what are sometimes very expensive transfer sessions- and I also like the idea of the real hard core collectors having the first look at everything. So it sounds like a resounding yes at the moment. Not everything is transferred for the set yet, though getting closer...

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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2013, 12:46:02 pm »
It's a real debate on how to release it. My first thought for this set is to do a combo- BluRay plus a DVD perhaps. 

The idea of a combo set works for me, as long as it's not prohibitively expensive for you to produce. Then again, I suppose that cost may be covered by the fact that you can charge a little more for a two-disc set.

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I'm asking because there's been a bunch of them in the past 6 months or so.  They quite honestly help cover what are sometimes very expensive transfer sessions- and I also like the idea of the real hard core collectors having the first look at everything.

If it makes you feel better, from the other side of the fence, I enjoy the feeling of knowing I've helped (in a really small way) to get the set on sale to a wider audience!

You don't have to go into specifics if you don't want to, but how expensive is an average transfer session? Just to put into perspective what you're up against. I've genuinely got no idea of even a rough figure...

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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2013, 12:56:48 pm »
It's a real debate on how to release it. My first thought for this set is to do a combo- BluRay plus a DVD perhaps. 

I'm asking because there's been a bunch of them in the past 6 months or so.  They quite honestly help cover what are sometimes very expensive transfer sessions- and I also like the idea of the real hard core collectors having the first look at everything. So it sounds like a resounding yes at the moment. Not everything is transferred for the set yet, though getting closer...

I'm in, too for the sneak peak!!!!!
Pardon my ignorance; but will the sneak peek have stuff on it that will not appear on the official release?  Either way, I'm in!!!!!!!

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Re: Technicolor Dreams and B/W Nightmares...
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2013, 01:00:34 pm »


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If it makes you feel better, from the other side of the fence, I enjoy the feeling of knowing I've helped (in a really small way) to get the set on sale to a wider audience!


I agree!!!!!!

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Re: Technicolor Dreams and B/W Nightmares...
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 03:55:32 pm »
...ahhhhhhhhhhh... more wonderment from the land of Vernors...

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Re: Technicolor Dreams and B/W Nightmares...
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2013, 06:27:18 pm »
It IS the land of Vernors. I've now had to crack open a diet Vernors at the mention!

Transfer sessions have gone down since less film is shot, but still expensive. It's $250 an hour of time in studio, not film length, so if it takes 15 minutes to adjust color on a short then run it, it's a little under $100. There's a two hour minimum, plus the time it takes to transfer from their hard drive to mine is also $250 an hour.  Some places are more- I get a great deal out here in the Metro Detroit area and can supervise. It's hard to average the real expense, because sometimes I get 20 minutes transferred in an hour, sometimes 1/2 hour if we're really fast, sometimes just a cartoon or two (one Nitrate print recently took 50 minutes or so to get 6 minutes of film...ouch!).

 The fundraisers are done somewhat faster at times- but I still want them to at least look ok of course.

The Snafus were done out in DC area at an approved vendor for Telecine. The first Vendor I choose did a terrible job (I ended up suing them!) but the second did an absolutly fantastic job. Total costs for transfers on that set were well over $3,000 since I had to transfer whole 10 minute reels to get the Snafus (at $625 an hour of session time)- but worth it!

Soo....that's what I'm up against! Then, there's finding the material in the first place, paying a borrowing fee & often fedex, replication/ mastering and anything else. Sometimes I'll use more than one print or manage to upgrade during the project. It all varies.

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Re: Technicolor Dreams and B/W Nightmares...
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 01:45:07 pm »
Wow - that's a real eye-opener, Steve! Like I said, I had no idea of even rough costs. I'd never have estimated as high as that. Thanks for sharing.  :bosko:

(You should probably copy and paste your previous post every time someone moans that their $12 DVD of otherwise unavailable treasures is a day or two late!)

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2013, 02:47:19 am »
Thanks for the informative post, Steve. I had looked at the price charged by Film & Video Transfers, Inc. in California (whom you have said good things about in the past) for HD transfers ($275/hour), but didn't realize that the final cost for such transfers could be higher than just that for the total running time of the film(s) to be transferred. Looks like if I ever start collecting some cartoons on film, settling for SD transfers might be the way to go, unless I have a lot of money!

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2013, 02:06:31 pm »
..trust me, I know from Vernors (tho' I haven't been able to get it here in Oly for over a year naw) as I originally hail from Niagara Falls NY... and for the record, this particular sneak enjoys the sneak preview discs.  :)

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2013, 12:47:47 pm »
Thanks for the informative post, Steve. I had looked at the price charged by Film & Video Transfers, Inc. in California (whom you have said good things about in the past) for HD transfers ($275/hour), but didn't realize that the final cost for such transfers could be higher than just that for the total running time of the film(s) to be transferred. Looks like if I ever start collecting some cartoons on film, settling for SD transfers might be the way to go, unless I have a lot of money!

Speaking from experience, cartoon film collecting is not for the weak hearted, nor the cash strapped. You guys don't really want to know how many multiples of 100$ that rare sound print of "Mexico" set me back.  A SD transfer of 6 cartoons costs me about 350$ at Film & Video Transfer, but it's worth it just for their wetgate system.  Makes for less clean up afterwards, while adding extra depth to the on screen image.  Steve can tell you that the DVDs he creates wouldn't be possible without the help of many film collector associates.

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Re: Technicolor Dreams and B/W Nightmares...
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2013, 01:00:20 pm »
..trust me, I know from Vernors (tho' I haven't been able to get it here in Oly for over a year naw) as I originally hail from Niagara Falls NY... and for the record, this particular sneak enjoys the sneak preview discs.  :)

Olympia WA?  Check Top Foods  / Haggens NW Fresh stores for a Vernor's fix  :ozzie:

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Re: Technicolor Dreams and B/W Nightmares...
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2014, 12:15:27 am »
All we know of this set is the Technicolor part but where does the "Black & White Nightmares" part come in?