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Classic Animation (pre 1970's) => TTTP In Exile => : tonyboy85 June 11, 2013, 09:38:16 AM

: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: tonyboy85 June 11, 2013, 09:38:16 AM
At the "Looney Tunes Platinum Collection on Blu-ray Reviews" thread at the blu-ray.com forums,

KCota15 has said:

"So I have some bad news. I just emailed Jerry Beck and he said although there will be a Volume 3, it won't be out until around Christmas due to poor sales and the series might not be continued after that"
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=176841&page=24


But I responded with bravery, not cowardice!:

"Now hold on, just because the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection could end after vol. 3, doesn't mean that it CAN end!

in 2006, Leonard Maltin said that the Walt Disney Treasures (dvd) are ending and will be replaced by the Walt Disney Legacy collection (dvd) in 2007, but in 2007, because of popular demand, the Walt Disney Company makes the Walt Disney Treasures continue on from 2007 to 2009, & the Walt Disney Legacy collection was short-lived.

& on the other side of Burbank, according to what the people said, the WB studios is about to end the Looney Tunes Golden Collection (dvd) after vol. 5 in 2007, but suddenly, they had a change of heart, & are going to release a new volume of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection one more time in 2008.

& the dvds of "Tiny Toon Adventures" and "Animaniacs" did not continue with their new volumes until in 2013 that they finally got their long-overdue new volumes!

So if you people out there have supported the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection, then I say do the best you can with mails and e-mails, campaigns and petitions, & buy the 3rd volume immediately, stores & online!

& maybe, just maybe, the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection can continue on, maybe all the way to 2019! Because you people do love and supported Looney Tunes!

& Jerry Beck, if you read this, you are always welcome to support this!"
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=176841&page=25


So what do you say, people?
We can win if we are brave & will never give up!

& as Bugs Bunny says...
"Looks like this boy scout's gonna do his good deed for the day" ("Hare Trimmed" 1953)
& "You realize that this is not going to go unchallenged" ("Barbary-Coast Bunny" 1956)


Spread the word about this subject at...
the "Golden Age Cartoons" facebook page,
the "General DVD Discussion" section at the "DVDizzy.com" forums,
& the "Retro: Classic Cartoons" section at the "ToonZone" forums.

& show your support & demands by posting comments on the "WB Classic Animation" facebook page.
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: NicKramer June 11, 2013, 11:12:49 AM
Didn't Jerry said in his email to this user not to tell anyone?  He said that to me and I was going to keep quiet about it till Jerry makes an official annoucment about it.
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: raginggoodfella June 11, 2013, 02:26:18 PM
Hello tonyboy85, I wouldn't worry about WHV stopping for a time 'cause they will start it up again. The new sets will contain  a couple new to dvd/blu cartoons mixed with a  bunch of double and triple dripping. And then WHV will complain about poor sales. I guess WB hasn't figured out that  not all cartoon fans will buy every WVH crap product in hope that they release a proper set(complete Avery, unfucked up Tom and Jerry, more of the WB golden collections)Read BIGSHOT's post over at the other forum, tonyboy85.
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: tonyboy85 June 11, 2013, 02:57:04 PM
Didn't Jerry said in his email to this user not to tell anyone?  He said that to me and I was going to keep quiet about it till Jerry makes an official annoucment about it.

Well, I'm sorry about that.

But I have to tell everyone to support The Looney Tunes Platinum Collection for not just the people of U.S.A. , but also for Jerry Beck, Leonard Maltin, Martha Sigall, & the people of the whole world!
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: speedy fast June 11, 2013, 03:22:31 PM

 I'm not too interested in these. The majority of cartoons have been released on the Golden Collection and Super Stars releases, which I'm not really surprised by. I would be interested in certain cartoons on the bonus discs, and perhaps the new-to-DVD cartoons, but at the same time, are they THAT worth it?

At least when previously-released cartoons appear in Super Stars, they are outnumbered by new-to-DVD cartoons. And I hope that, whether the Platinum Collections continue or not, Warner will continue to put out new-to-DVD shorts.
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: NicKramer June 11, 2013, 03:30:39 PM
Hello tonyboy85, I wouldn't worry about WHV stopping for a time 'cause they will start it up again. The new sets will contain  a couple new to dvd/blu cartoons mixed with a  bunch of double and triple dripping. And then WHV will complain about poor sales. I guess WB hasn't figured out that  not all cartoon fans will buy every WVH crap product in hope that they release a proper set(complete Avery, unfucked up Tom and Jerry, more of the WB golden collections)Read BIGSHOT's post over at the other forum, tonyboy85.

Aw, will you shut up about the double dipping crap?  It's partly your and a bunch of others fault we had a condensed DVD version of the "Platnumn Collection" because you couldn't stop whining about the BLU-RAY release.
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: red_demon June 11, 2013, 03:31:09 PM
If you follow the VHS/Beta, Laserdisc, DVD, and now the latest slice of bread Blu-ray, they have all double and triple dipped. Must be the nature of the "clean suits" to keep releasing the same thing but update or add a cartoon or two. I won't support it, I will rent, buy second hand and copy the format as I see fit. Thou I am also pondering film, ie. 16mm and 35mm as well.
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: King Delbert June 11, 2013, 04:41:28 PM
We are not frozen in time here folks.  DVD sales are dead.  We are only a SPECK when it comes to cartoon collectors (or any classics collectors such as television and movies).  I believe that sales will go up because Netflix is taking away a lot of shows and DVD (and blu-ray) is something that no major company is going to take away from you.  No one is going to come up to your house and say, "hey, the deal to have these on DVD is over, we're taking your copy away." 
But getting back to the subject, I think the reason why volume two didn't sell as well is because vol one had a seperate major collectors addition with cels and a shot glass (I have that), not to mention the discs came in a digibook.  Vol 2 didn't have any bells and whistles like that, and thus cheaper and less money coming in.  Not to mention each volume sells less.  The economy is bad folks, I do not have the Hippity Hopper Super Stars nor the Popeye 1960s set that came out and why because I'm saving money.  And yes, the majority of the Looney Tunes are already out (course someone will then prove me wrong with numbers).  They got to at least restore the cartoons for the library's sake, not the DVD or blu-rays sake (well maybe blu-ray) 
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: red_demon June 11, 2013, 05:00:18 PM
They should restore the cartoons regardless of sales, it is the suits that have invested in them for a profit. The golden age of cartoons if not restored by the suits will not make them anything. Don't give me copy wrong this and that, the suits only want the $. My point is they keep re-releasing the same over and over. Note, music wise I know what a 78RPM record is, a 45RPM, etc, just because tech advances shouldn't mean I have to buy the same thing 10 times over to get 1 new one.
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: red_demon June 11, 2013, 05:52:07 PM
I will add to this, Warner Bros. I believe is the official studio, suits have no clue, my opinion. Take the Tom & Jerry Spotlight Collections, the first 2 had edited cartoons, they finally made replacements. Take the first two Super Stars releases, Bug's and Daffy's, they had reformatted 2/3 of the cartoons on each disc, no replacement  Now we have Blu-Ray, back to the Tom & Jerry, they decide not to release Vol. 2. And now is announced that Warner Bros, in their suits wisdom are deciding not to continue with the Looney Tunes Platinum? Hence my earlier post, I will not support them, when they get their head out, and release the way they was suppose to been seen, I may change my mind!
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: Reading Bug June 11, 2013, 07:07:23 PM
Unfortunately, tonyboy85, the unreleased Looney Tunes (which includes the new-to-disc titles only available to general consumers via the Platinums or Super Stars) are far too many in number to be reasonably compared to your examples. There were a few remaining gems Disney perceived worthy of release under the Treasures banner - primarily the final Donald volumes no doubt - while Warner only had a single volume of Animaniacs left. The 600+ non-Golden Collection films are far greater in quantity and would require a more careful commitment to bring to collectors.

I believe there is still a market for unreleased Golden Age animation today. The Thunderbean/Olive Films/TCM UPA Jolly Frolics platform is the answer, however, not mass retail. If WHV can figure that out and adjust their expectations (but not their quality standards) for the Looney Tunes and other titles, we'll start getting what we want and how we want it.
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: tonyboy85 June 11, 2013, 08:07:38 PM
Now we have Blu-Ray, back to the Tom & Jerry, they decide not to release Vol. 2.

Actually, The "Tom & Jerry Golden Collection Vol. 2" is Delayed, NOT cancelled.
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: tonyboy85 June 11, 2013, 08:18:50 PM
I believe there is still a market for unreleased Golden Age animation today. The Thunderbean/Olive Films/TCM UPA Jolly Frolics platform is the answer, however, not mass retail.

I think "The TCM Vault Collection" was a good choice for "Looney Tunes", but "The Warner Archive" was another good choice, "The Warner Archive" was starting to have blu-ray releases anyway!
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: King Delbert June 11, 2013, 10:01:46 PM
ahhh... but the problem is that the Looney Tunes are so well known that Warner Home Video has complete control over the cartoons, so Warner Archive may have some problems.  Course they were able to release Bugs Bunny Superstars.  Who knows?  TCM is a separate entity, and Warners does not want to sub-license the cartoons at this time
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: Reading Bug June 11, 2013, 10:15:55 PM
...Warners does not want to sub-license the cartoons at this time

Perhaps that's where they would need to adjust.
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: Senbei Norimaki June 12, 2013, 01:32:00 AM
Screw the double dip Platinum collection.  They should restart the Gold Collection.
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: NicKramer June 12, 2013, 09:11:00 AM
For the last time, I do not consider cartoons that have not been released to Blue-Ray to be double-dips.  Besides, even if the Golden Collection does restart on DVD, how will you know they won't literally restart the series by re-releasing volume one in a new package?
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: raginggoodfella June 12, 2013, 09:46:51 AM
Hey Nic, are you spy for WHV? Because you defend every fuck up that WHV releases to to general public. I'm not sorry that I don't spend my money on triple dipping or should I say in some cases 10 times dipping if you count VHS and laserdiscs. And I never begged for a blu ray release, so don't blame me for your WHV friends' fuck ups? Still you want to defend the WHV reasoing behind the MOUSE CLEANING omission from vol 1 and  vol 2?
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: Looney Tunes Fan June 12, 2013, 11:43:21 AM
For the last time, I do not consider cartoons that have not been released to Blue-Ray to be double-dips.  Besides, even if the Golden Collection does restart on DVD, how will you know they won't literally restart the series by re-releasing volume one in a new package?
Hey Nic, are you spy for WHV? Because you defend every fuck up that WHV releases to to general public. I'm not sorry that I don't spend my money on triple dipping or should I say in some cases 10 times dipping if you count VHS and laserdiscs. And I never begged for a blu ray release, so don't blame me for your WHV friends' fuck ups? Still you want to defend the WHV reasoing behind the MOUSE CLEANING omission from vol 1 and  vol 2?

Jesus dude give him a break. He's entitled to his own  opinion as much as you are.
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: King Delbert June 12, 2013, 11:50:00 AM
And you wonder why I don't like threads about Golden Age animation on DVD or Blu-ray?
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: Leviathan June 12, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
And who cares about you, Delbert?

Anyway, if Platinum #3 is still on track for christmas, then it isn't the delayed set Jerry was talking about.
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: red_demon June 12, 2013, 01:39:12 PM
Hey Nic, are you spy for WHV? Because you defend every fuck up that WHV releases to to general public. I'm not sorry that I don't spend my money on triple dipping or should I say in some cases 10 times dipping if you count VHS and laserdiscs. And I never begged for a blu ray release, so don't blame me for your WHV friends' fuck ups? Still you want to defend the WHV reasoing behind the MOUSE CLEANING omission from vol 1 and  vol 2?

My point exactally, they are already starting with the "Academy Awards Animation Collection" Take the Tom n' Jerry releases currently released, all double dips with the exception of I thinks 3 from "Gene Deitch Years".
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: NicKramer June 12, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
Hey Nic, are you spy for WHV? Because you defend every fuck up that WHV releases to to general public. I'm not sorry that I don't spend my money on triple dipping or should I say in some cases 10 times dipping if you count VHS and laserdiscs. And I never begged for a blu ray release, so don't blame me for your WHV friends' fuck ups? Still you want to defend the WHV reasoing behind the MOUSE CLEANING omission from vol 1 and  vol 2?


No, but then again, I'm not the one who bashed J.B. when they first started the "Platnum Collection".
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: Professor Bluteau June 12, 2013, 08:28:36 PM
For the last time, I do not consider cartoons that have not been released to Blue-Ray to be double-dips. 

Well, they're one-and-a-half dips, in the sense that you can already play the cartoons released on DVD on a Blu-Ray player. Granted, the quality's lower, it's better than what happens if you try to insert a VHS tape/Laserdisc etc.  :tweetie:

But either way, the whole operation could have been handled so much more elegantly. For instance, remember the two-disc Spotlight Collections that came out alongside the Golden Collections? Using a similar system, they could have continued on Blu-Ray where the GCs left off, with a two-disc set of new-to-DVD-and-Blu-Ray shorts released alongside a four-disc set which added a bunch of cartoons from the GCs. At least then we'd all have (a) had the choice, and (b) known where we stood. Instead they simply pushed the reset button, which just rubbed a lot of us up the wrong way.
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: speedy fast June 12, 2013, 09:21:24 PM

 I kind of want to chime in on the double-dipping argument over Blu-Ray verses every other video format. I collected all of the Golden Collections and most of the Super Stars releases (and the Mouse Chronicles set). Those are not the only DVDs featuring Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies shorts, but when it comes to repeats on DVD (and released-on-DVD shorts coming to blu-ray), I mainly care about whether they were released in any of the above-mentioned sets. And I know that most of the Super Stars releases and Mouse Chronicles do include at least one repeat from the Golden Collections, but at least the amount of cartoons not on previous Golden Collections outnumbers it. When it comes to new Looney Tunes releases, I don't care if it was a bonus short on a non-Looney Tunes DVD release, or even if it includes one of the few remastered cartoons that doesn't appear in any Golden Collections, Platinum Collections, Super Stars, or Mouse Chronicles (among the few are A Wild Hare and Porky's Duck Hunt). It would be great if Warner Home Video would put out a DVD of all the shorts that were newly-remastered for the Platinum Collections. I'm not really surprised that the Platinums are mostly comprised of cartoons that had already been remastered and released on DVD years ago. It means less work on them (I wonder if they did any extra work on the already-remastered shorts).

 Of course, back in the VHS era, I pretty much didn't care about repeating shorts on VHS. In fact I often thought up my own wishlists in my head for videos I wanted to see made and shorts included, often including stuff that I knew had been released on video. Of course I didn't have many Looney Tunes VHS releases... Of the commercially-released shorts VHS compilations I only had three Warner Home Video releases and quite a few public domain tapes (in addition to recording many off TV). It really wasn't until I saw The Bugs Bunny Video Guide around 1999 that I started caring. When the first Golden Collection came out, I was disappointed that the majority of shorts had already been released on VHS, though the following volumes would include more new-to-video-format shorts.
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: Looney Tunes Fan June 12, 2013, 10:29:47 PM
My god guys give Nick and Delbert a break stop bashing them. >__>
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: NicKramer June 12, 2013, 11:10:41 PM
The last two posters weren't bashing me or Delbert.  They just gave their opinion of the Blu-Ray debate in a lot more calming manner which I prefer than the whining manner.

To be perfectly honest, I don't have the "Platinum" sets either only because I don't have a Blu-Ray player.  I mean what good are Blu-Ray discs when you don't have a Blu-Ray player? I'd get them otherwise.
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: speedy fast June 13, 2013, 09:15:59 AM

 One thing I forgot to mention in my last post is that I'll be pleasantly surprised at this point if there ever is a new Looney Tunes DVD release that does not contain at least one short that was already released as part of a Golden Collection or Super Stars release. I know that it's possible, but I'll still be pleasantly surprised. The majority of types of releases I can think of (like an all-black and white Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies collection, or a post-1964 collection, or a "Censored Eleven" set) seem unlikely. Though I'm sure there could be a single-disc Road Runner release with only new-to-DVD cartoons. I am surprised that the recent Porky and Friends release had one double-dip... If they ran out of color Porky cartoons (and I know China Jones hasn't been on DVD, but I consider that a Daffy cartoon more than a Porky cartoon) they could have just included one less Porky cartoon (if the set needed 18 cartoons maybe use the extra space for a Wolf and Sheepdog cartoon) or one less cartoon period.
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: Looney Tunes Fan June 13, 2013, 09:23:34 AM
The last two posters weren't bashing me or Delbert.  They just gave their opinion of the Blu-Ray debate in a lot more calming manner which I prefer than the whining manner.

I know that, but even still no one should be bashing either of you.
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: jazzman78 June 13, 2013, 11:07:54 AM
I Think somebody may have mentined it earlier - but I think it bears repeating. 

I feel the Warner Brother should continued the series either the Golden or Platnum via Warner Archives. The extras are nice but really not necessary.  They have continuted differnet TV series box set that way.  Why not the Cartoons which could be issued on DVD or BlueRay (most likely not both).  There are a good number on films that have not made it to home video since the Laser Box Sets were issued and still more that never made it to that format.   Most of my intrest lies in the pre-1950 material and there is still a good number missing from the list of released cartoons during that period.

To me it's the smarter way to go and they don't have to press a few 1000 sets to make the money back and they also won't have to put out the cost of advertising as they have for other projects.

HS  :bosko:
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: speedy fast June 13, 2013, 12:48:21 PM
There are a good number on films that have not made it to home video since the Laser Box Sets were issued and still more that never made it to that format.   Most of my intrest lies in the pre-1950 material and there is still a good number missing from the list of released cartoons during that period.


 If you're mainly interested in pre-1950 stuff, the majority of those cartoons have been released. All of the pre-1948 cartoons under Turner's control (except for the censored eleven) were included in he Golden Age of Looney Tunes sets, all of the censored eleven have made it to public domain collections, so that leaves several unreleased black and white cartoons and a handful of cartoons from 1948-1950 (don't know off-hand which cartoons from 1948 and 1949 have never been released on a home video format).
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: raginggoodfella June 13, 2013, 02:51:50 PM
One of CENSORED 11,BUGS BUNNY NIPS THE NIPS , was one  of the laser disc volumes before it was replaced.
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: King Delbert June 13, 2013, 03:06:33 PM
One of CENSORED 11,BUGS BUNNY NIPS THE NIPS , was one  of the laser disc volumes before it was replaced.

Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips is not a part of the censored 11.   It is, however, suppressed from distribution for now.
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: tonyboy85 June 13, 2013, 04:09:24 PM
I feel the Warner Brother should continued the series either the Golden or Platnum via Warner Archives. The extras are nice but really not necessary.

If the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection will continue via Warner Archives, I think it will be better if they keep having extras!, few or more!

I hope you are reading this, Jerry Beck.
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: NicKramer June 13, 2013, 04:49:05 PM
I'm not sure if Warners is willing to have the rest of the Looney Tunes on the Warner Archive series.  Even if they did, I don't think the cartoons would be restored as it takes thousands of dollars just to restore one.  I'm pretty sure fans won't take unrestored shorts laying down.

I do think it's the ideal place to put both seasons of "The Bugs Bunny Show".  But again, it would be expensive to put together show as they first aired, so I'm sure that will happen either.
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: Autodafe June 13, 2013, 06:18:28 PM
I'm one of these people who doesn't want to throw away money on 10 cartoons that I don't have and treble the ones I do on a slightly better format (Or just on plain dvd) and I'd be up in arms for The Golden Collection to re-surface if I could have my way.

From a purely business point of view, I understand why they double dip... It's just business and we as collectors are 1 quarter of the cartoon patron market. Each collection has to suit a market.
I'm surprised the platinum collection may sink though... Be half dips and half restored, appealing to new fans and collectors alike.

Now if the Platinum collection ends after vol.3... We have to wait for a NEW series to be released with quadruple dips again and 10 new cartoons for the series to fall again and for the circle to begin again.... But that's just business. I hold no grudges toward to a business. But for a business to be smart and survive into every hand that wants a piece of their library of cartoons.

And I doubt they'd stick the rest of the Looney Tunes on the Warner Archive due to its limited available status to people abroad(specific on their website there is no international shipping. (Unless this has changed, I don't know) just seems poor business sense, plus THE LT are huge sellers to this day.

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: NicKramer June 13, 2013, 06:32:13 PM
A thought just accured to be shouldn't we call some of the Slyvester and Tweety cartoons that were on the Golden Collection "Double-Dips" as they were release on DVD in Japan prior to that?
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: raginggoodfella June 13, 2013, 07:54:32 PM
One of CENSORED 11,BUGS BUNNY NIPS THE NIPS , was one  of the laser disc volumes before it was replaced.

Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips is not a part of the censored 11.   It is, however, suppressed from distribution for now.
You are correct and I  was wrong. What was amusing to me about the list( was it a list by ted turner? ua? mgm?) was  that TBS network  of 1980's would broadcast more "offensive" cartoons than the "11".
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: Professor Bluteau June 13, 2013, 08:11:11 PM
A thought just accured to be shouldn't we call some of the Slyvester and Tweety cartoons that were on the Golden Collection "Double-Dips" as they were release on DVD in Japan prior to that?

I think most reasonable people would use the term "double-dip" to refer to something being released for the second time within the same market. Are we a part of the Japanese market? I don't consider myself to be so. Would those Japanese discs work in your player? Possibly, but not by default. Are they readily available to buy in your local shop? I doubt it.

On the other hand, if you happen to have said Japanese releases, then those specific cartoons are indeed double-dips for you. I've got the French Tex Avery boxset, so most of the Droopy set I bought were double-dips to me. They were of course all brand new to DVD for those of you living oustide of PAL (and, to be pedantic, SECAM) land. But for the masses? I'd say not. Is this a technicality that completely overlooks the spirit of the point being made? I'll let you decide.
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: speedy fast June 13, 2013, 08:12:50 PM
A thought just accured to be shouldn't we call some of the Slyvester and Tweety cartoons that were on the Golden Collection "Double-Dips" as they were release on DVD in Japan prior to that?

 I guess, but those weren't released in America (then again, I think some cartoons were first released as bonus featured on the Chuck Jones: Extremes and In-Betweens DVD). I can't speak for everybody, but I already mentioned already that I mainly care about them not being double-dips from the Golden Collection and Super Stars sets, even though most of the Super Stars sets have at least one previously-released-on-a-golden-collection cartoon (all of the cartoons on the Tweety and Sylvester release were on the Golden Collections, so I didn't pick that one up... At least it didn't have one or two new-to-DVD cartoons outnumbered by several previously-released ones). As far as the Super Stars sets go, only the Bugs, Daffy, and Road Runner ones don't repeat from the Golden Collections (though the Road Runner one does double-dip from other releases).
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: red_demon June 14, 2013, 05:28:58 PM
A point on the superstars series is that the first 2, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck had 2/3 of the cartoons reformatted into a fake widescreen. So to me those 10 cartoons on each disc isn't an official release. By reformatted I mean they took a full screen cartoon and literally cut off the top and bottom to make it look widescreen!
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: speedy fast June 18, 2013, 03:27:29 PM
A point on the superstars series is that the first 2, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck had 2/3 of the cartoons reformatted into a fake widescreen. So to me those 10 cartoons on each disc isn't an official release. By reformatted I mean they took a full screen cartoon and literally cut off the top and bottom to make it look widescreen!

 I don't have a problem with those shorts being released in widescreen, though for the sake of everyone else I do wish Warner would put them all out in full frame (some of them are on the Platinum Collections as they were meant to be shown).
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: CPtoons June 19, 2013, 01:38:13 PM
Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips is not a part of the censored 11.   It is, however, suppressed from distribution for now.
I have the GAOLT set on which that title appears. As is generally known, the set was pulled and "Racketeer Rabbit" replaced "Nips," even though "Racketeer" also appears on another volume. I'm not at all surprised that it was pulled.
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: speedy fast June 19, 2013, 04:06:59 PM
Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips is not a part of the censored 11.   It is, however, suppressed from distribution for now.
I have the GAOLT set on which that title appears. As is generally known, the set was pulled and "Racketeer Rabbit" replaced "Nips," even though "Racketeer" also appears on another volume. I'm not at all surprised that it was pulled.

 I wonder if Racketeer Rabbit was maybe included in a later volume so that those who got the original volume 1 wouldn't have to buy another copy just for one cartoon...
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: CPtoons June 20, 2013, 10:07:58 AM
From what I've gathered, volume 1 was pulled after volume 3 was issued, so "Racketeer" looks like a quick replacement. I expect just about any Bugs cartoon could have been chosen.
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: Mark The Shark June 22, 2013, 08:14:58 PM
A point on the superstars series is that the first 2, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck had 2/3 of the cartoons reformatted into a fake widescreen. So to me those 10 cartoons on each disc isn't an official release. By reformatted I mean they took a full screen cartoon and literally cut off the top and bottom to make it look widescreen!

Here's the thing. Cropping post-1953 theatrical films for widescreen on video is now standard operating procedure. In movie-related forums you have what seems like a majority of the people in favor of it, insisting that it's the "original aspect ratio" and maintains the artistic intent of the director. Now, an argument certainly can be made that for films shot in full frame with "safe areas," the full-frame version is just as legitimate since after the brief theatrical run, they would have run on television in 4:3, for the overwhelming majority of the showings for the life of that film, seen in that format many times more than in the "original aspect ratio" -- and in many cases the filmmakers knew that would be the case when they made them.

I think it's clear that the ONLY reason the Looney Tunes Super Stars had a full-screen option added after the Bugs and Daffy releases was because fans and collectors made it known they wouldn't stand for "cropped-only" DVDs, resulting in some bad reviews, negative publicity and maybe lost sales. Otherwise, this was the same as the 1950s Three Stooges shorts and the Chuck Jones Tom & Jerry cartoons being released in widescreen only. To the bean counters, that's just the way they do it now.

Now we just have to do the same thing for Blu-Ray collections consisting of 90% recycled content from DVD collections. But you know, if the Platinum collections haven't met sales expectations, I'm not surprised. Yeah, it's a different format technically, but as has been mentioned before, DVDs will play on Blu-Ray players. I have not made the plunge, but might have by now if the Blu-Rays had all (or at least most) different content from the DVDs. If they were going to repeat the same cartoons, it might have been better-received if they had started out just re-releasing the six Golden Collections in Blu-Ray format. That way, people who want to "upgrade" to Blu-Ray can do so -- though how much of an "upgrade" is it? Enough to justify repurchasing them all? -- and not ticking people off by including a small number of cartoons only available on the new sets.
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: Reading Bug June 22, 2013, 11:39:09 PM
Now we just have to do the same thing for Blu-Ray collections consisting of 90% recycled content from DVD collections. But you know, if the Platinum collections haven't met sales expectations, I'm not surprised. Yeah, it's a different format technically, but as has been mentioned before, DVDs will play on Blu-Ray players. I have not made the plunge, but might have by now if the Blu-Rays had all (or at least most) different content from the DVDs. If they were going to repeat the same cartoons, it might have been better-received if they had started out just re-releasing the six Golden Collections in Blu-Ray format. That way, people who want to "upgrade" to Blu-Ray can do so -- though how much of an "upgrade" is it? Enough to justify repurchasing them all? -- and not ticking people off by including a small number of cartoons only available on the new sets.

The problem with the Platinums wasn't any single factor, but rather several independent ones that made success extremely difficult. For one thing, they didn't continue the Golden Collection format which turned off collectors anticipating new films. For another, they included two or three new films per set in a disingenuous attempt to lure collectors to an HD repurchase they didn't want to make (turning them off further). For a third, they didn't invest in the overall future of the Looney Tunes, which is what they seemed to be doing with the GCs just a few years before: they spread out the best cartoons with average and below-average ones to progressively move the catalog out; even sticking to restored cartoons only, they could have mirrored the GCs and it might have lasted longer. For a fourth - and most importantly - they didn't seem to mind continuing with an outdated sales model. The customer base is likely made up of general consumers who may be unaware of previous releases and want DVDs (which might explain the rush to get a DVD version of Platinum 1 out), general consumers who know they have What's Opera Doc but might welcome something new, general consumers who want Blu-rays and collectors like us. That's a lot. To put out a single release to satisfy them all is asking a lot.

The only thing they had going for them was low restoration costs but, of course, that couldn't have lasted. The whole effort seemed like a strict business decision to milk the Looney Tunes in HD for all they could with as little investment as monetarily possible. And that's what it smelled like from day one.
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: red_demon June 23, 2013, 11:44:06 AM
I don't thinks all see what I mean by "Reformatted". There is widescreen and fullscreen.  For the most part, movies was made in widescreen. To watch the movie on TV, the suits made it fullscreen.  Widescreen is the way the movie was made and officially released. When the movie was released to TV they formatted to a fullscreen which crops the left and right of the original. "Reformated", hence my complaint is, they take a fullscreen and crop to make a widescreen, which loses the top and bottom of the frame.
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: NicKramer June 23, 2013, 01:11:00 PM
Now we just have to do the same thing for Blu-Ray collections consisting of 90% recycled content from DVD collections. But you know, if the Platinum collections haven't met sales expectations, I'm not surprised. Yeah, it's a different format technically, but as has been mentioned before, DVDs will play on Blu-Ray players. I have not made the plunge, but might have by now if the Blu-Rays had all (or at least most) different content from the DVDs. If they were going to repeat the same cartoons, it might have been better-received if they had started out just re-releasing the six Golden Collections in Blu-Ray format. That way, people who want to "upgrade" to Blu-Ray can do so -- though how much of an "upgrade" is it? Enough to justify repurchasing them all? -- and not ticking people off by including a small number of cartoons only available on the new sets.

The problem with the Platinums wasn't any single factor, but rather several independent ones that made success extremely difficult. For one thing, they didn't continue the Golden Collection format which turned off collectors anticipating new films. For another, they included two or three new films per set in a disingenuous attempt to lure collectors to an HD repurchase they didn't want to make (turning them off further). For a third, they didn't invest in the overall future of the Looney Tunes, which is what they seemed to be doing with the GCs just a few years before: they spread out the best cartoons with average and below-average ones to progressively move the catalog out; even sticking to restored cartoons only, they could have mirrored the GCs and it might have lasted longer. For a fourth - and most importantly - they didn't seem to mind continuing with an outdated sales model. The customer base is likely made up of general consumers who may be unaware of previous releases and want DVDs (which might explain the rush to get a DVD version of Platinum 1 out), general consumers who know they have What's Opera Doc but might welcome something new, general consumers who want Blu-rays and collectors like us. That's a lot. To put out a single release to satisfy them all is asking a lot.

The only thing they had going for them was low restoration costs but, of course, that couldn't have lasted. The whole effort seemed like a strict business decision to milk the Looney Tunes in HD for all they could with as little investment as monetarily possible. And that's what it smelled like from day one.

The biggest problem was that people kept whining about this realease without being specific and we got a condensed version on regular DVD.  If some folks would've explained to Warners more clearly and didn't act like spoiled brats, we  would've gotten a smaller "Golden Collection 7" with the "new" Platnum content and probably the full screen prints of the cartoons that were widescreen on the first two "Super Star" cartoons.
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: Reading Bug June 23, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
Considering WHV's rapid response to getting a Platinum DVD out, I think most of the whining came from general consumers unaware (or forgetful) of previous releases. I still think it's really strange there was such a demand when all six Golden Collections were, and still are, in print. Not to mention other, more distilled best-ofs released over the years like the Spotlight Collections. Collectors certainly have those cartoons already.

In the end, the market is just oversaturated (which is why specifically-aimed releases, like you suggest, is what's needed now). But WHV apparently doesn't get it.

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: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: Leviathan June 23, 2013, 01:40:17 PM
Reading Bug, as usual, makes the most sense out of anyone in this thread.

The thing is, you don't only have the Platinum Collections. You have the Super Stars sets, the Essential Bugs and Daffy sets, those three-cartoon cheapo discs (Looney Tunes Unleashed, etc.), miscellaneous titles like Mouse Chronicles and that recent "Best of WB" compilation. And out of those, not a single one is truly aimed at collectors the way the Golden Collection's were. It's a complete mess.

Much of the problem is that the "Family" division is in charge of things now; without George Feltenstein as a guiding light, they don't have a clue about how to handle the remaining films.

: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: NicKramer June 24, 2013, 12:27:39 PM
Let me know when you two get jobs at Warners Family Division.
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: speedy fast June 24, 2013, 03:20:47 PM
Much of the problem is that the "Family" division is in charge of things now; without George Feltenstein as a guiding light, they don't have a clue about how to handle the remaining films.

 If only Warner Home Video would hire the guy who made the Bugs Bunny Video Guide. He compiled a way that Warner could realistically get almost all of the remaining shorts with the main characters released as part of the Super Stars sets without much repetition.

 Here's the link: http://www.dohtem.com/bugs/superstars.htm
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: NicKramer June 24, 2013, 03:53:48 PM
Much of the problem is that the "Family" division is in charge of things now; without George Feltenstein as a guiding light, they don't have a clue about how to handle the remaining films.

 If only Warner Home Video would hire the guy who made the Bugs Bunny Video Guide. He compiled a way that Warner could realistically get almost all of the remaining shorts with the main characters released as part of the Super Stars sets without much repetition.

 Here's the link: http://www.dohtem.com/bugs/superstars.htm

Yeah, I can see that can work, but what about something like "Hare'um Scare'um"?  For a cartoon that had it's long lost ending painstakingly re-attached, I really can't see it being pushed to the Warners Archive.   
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: ForumDocXV July 05, 2013, 07:39:19 PM
I hope the Platinum Collections will include all 5 cartoons featuring Porky's girl friend Petunia Pig.

*Porky's Romance (1937)
*The Case Of The Stuttering Pig (1937)
*Porky's Double Trouble (1937)
*Porky's Picnic (1939)
*Naughty Neighbors (1939)
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: tonyboy85 July 22, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Does anyone want to post more discussions in this thread?
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: Takeshi55 July 30, 2013, 03:42:39 AM
I think the next big LT release should have a whole disc dedicated to one-off MMs and another disk with BW LTs. Maybe Platinum collection 4 (3 to me seems like it will be another re-release fest), so they would go along with this guide: http://www.dohtem.com/bugs/superstars.htm (I know it was linked before).
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: eutychus July 30, 2013, 09:35:01 AM
Okay, I've had to remove two posts here already because of incivilities. Let's keep it polite here.
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: tonyboy85 August 11, 2014, 07:13:10 AM
Note: the release date written here is the U.S.A. release date.

8/12/2014 is the release day for the "Looney Tunes Platinum Collection: Volume 3",
& when that day comes, go to the stores and buy it right away! (you can immediately buy it online too!)
& If WB sees that this blu-ray has good sales, they could create a Volume 4!

So be ready to buy the 3rd volume right away!
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: Takeshi55 August 11, 2014, 05:43:19 PM
I was thinking of getting it on Amazon.co.uk, but I can't pre-order it here.
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: Looney Tunes Fan August 11, 2014, 07:20:00 PM
Asked for it for Christmas, so I'll likely be showing my support for the release! :)
: Care2: "Release More Looney Tunes on Warner Archive" Petition
: tonyboy85 September 29, 2014, 01:38:34 PM
If you want the Looney Tunes to be on the new blu-ray (& dvd) sets via Warner Archives,
here is this petition.


care2.com:
"Release More Looney Tunes on Warner Archive" petition
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/134/312/664/release-more-looney-tunes-on-warner-archive/


You people can sign this petition
to tell the WB corporate leaders & the WB family division to
let the Warner Archive create the Looney Tunes blu-ray (& dvd) sets!

Special thanks to ForumDocXV
for creating this petition! ;D
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: ForumDocXV September 29, 2014, 04:39:49 PM
Yep, that's the petition I made. So keep signing it so it can happen.

"Please listen to us WB, the costumer is always right. Always."
: Re: We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection!
: tonyboy85 January 06, 2015, 12:32:46 AM
The discussions of this subject will be continued on the new IAD forums,
& You are welcome to post new replies there!

"We must support the continuation of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection! (Continued)"
http://toonscoop.com/forum/yaf_postst37_We-must-support-the-continuation-of-the-Looney-Tunes-Platinum-Collection---Continued.aspx#post238