Zachary
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2023-01-28T19:48:58Z
Wow, Tommy Stathes has made his rare prints of these Fleischer Talkartoons publicly accessible in full! Click below to be treated!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4kURkP_L9A 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSx4IAHfPF0 
S. C. MacPeter
2023-01-29T03:24:14Z
I was lucky to see ACE at Cartoon Carnival 100 (You can find a short review I left on this site shortly after). I think that one is a particular gem, with some great songs in it. As for Joe, a nice early development in Betty’s history, with the most racist designs of Native Americans of that period. Seriously, I don’t have even think Van Beuren drew them that poorly. Hopefully, Tommy may clean up his prints for a set once they go PD
ToonStar95
2023-01-30T07:17:40Z
I liked how Bimbo seemed to change designs throughout ACCORDION JOE; he'd have dot eyes in one scene and googly eyes in the next.

I could sort-of identify some animators here. I can spot Grim Natwick easily, but I think one scene was by Rudy Zamora (judging by his work on THE GLOW WORM; his style looks similar to Dick Huemer's) and another by Vet Anderson (known for his "crummy" style).
S. C. MacPeter
2023-01-30T14:44:42Z
Originally Posted by: ToonStar95 

another by Vet Anderson (known for his "crummy" style).



Incorrect. The “crummy” animator is a guy called Rudy Euggeman, a Swiss animator. Anderson would’ve drawn those scenes a lot better and the action would’ve been animated straight forward

I should note the “different designs” are the fact that each animator was doing their own layouts at this point. Other animators besides Natwick, Euggeman, and Ted Sears are Seymour Kentiel and Bowsky. Zamora didn’t animate on Joe, but he does do some animation on ACE OF SPADES (which is dominated by Al Eugster’s animation)
Bobby Bickert
2023-01-30T21:54:35Z
Originally Posted by: ToonStar95 

I liked how Bimbo seemed to change designs throughout ACCORDION JOE; he'd have dot eyes in one scene and googly eyes in the next.



That seemed to be a quirk that was mostly unique to Fleischer/Famous Studios/Paramount Cartoon Studios, though usually only in the series adapted from comics, Popeye and Little Lulu. (But I've also noticed it in Lantz's "Maw and Paw" series.) It was mostly gone from the Popeye series by 1954. But then it started happening again in Kneitel's TV Popeyes.
nickramer
2023-01-31T04:10:15Z
Originally Posted by: ToonStar95 

I liked how Bimbo seemed to change designs throughout ACCORDION JOE; he'd have dot eyes in one scene and googly eyes in the next.



Yeah, I noticed his design seems to vary from cartoon to cartoon until I think "Bimbo's Initiation" where his design is finalized. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
ToonStar95
2023-01-31T07:50:14Z
Originally Posted by: nickramer 

Originally Posted by: ToonStar95 

I liked how Bimbo seemed to change designs throughout ACCORDION JOE; he'd have dot eyes in one scene and googly eyes in the next.



Yeah, I noticed his design seems to vary from cartoon to cartoon until I think "Bimbo's Initiation" where his design is finalized. Please correct me if I'm wrong.



The more familiar Bimbo design debuted in THE HERRING MURDER CASE, though they still played around with the look until 1932.
Leviathan
2023-01-31T19:13:05Z
Originally Posted by: ToonStar95 

Originally Posted by: nickramer 

Originally Posted by: ToonStar95 

I liked how Bimbo seemed to change designs throughout ACCORDION JOE; he'd have dot eyes in one scene and googly eyes in the next.



Yeah, I noticed his design seems to vary from cartoon to cartoon until I think "Bimbo's Initiation" where his design is finalized. Please correct me if I'm wrong.



The more familiar Bimbo design debuted in THE HERRING MURDER CASE, though they still played around with the look until 1932.



Speaking of, here's a new print scan of that one too.



They do plan on getting the neg for According Joe. Here's hoping they also do the others.
FoxInAFix
2023-02-01T07:34:20Z
Originally Posted by: Leviathan 

Originally Posted by: ToonStar95 

Originally Posted by: nickramer 

Originally Posted by: ToonStar95 

I liked how Bimbo seemed to change designs throughout ACCORDION JOE; he'd have dot eyes in one scene and googly eyes in the next.



Yeah, I noticed his design seems to vary from cartoon to cartoon until I think "Bimbo's Initiation" where his design is finalized. Please correct me if I'm wrong.



The more familiar Bimbo design debuted in THE HERRING MURDER CASE, though they still played around with the look until 1932.



Speaking of, here's a new print scan of that one too.



They do plan on getting the neg for According Joe. Here's hoping they also do the others.



Too bad a chunk is missing from this print.
HectorJeckle
2023-09-01T13:19:53Z
Apparently, Paramount Pictures has blocked both cartoons for no apparent reason, which is extremely strange behavior on Paramount's part.
Jimmy Two Shoes
2024-02-27T01:29:11Z
Originally Posted by: HectorJeckle 

Apparently, Paramount Pictures has blocked both cartoons for no apparent reason, which is extremely strange behavior on Paramount's part.



Mauricio Alvarado and his entire clique of crooks most likely had to ask Paramount to block these two videos on Tommy's channel.

Note that Ace of Spades is included in their program for the Fleischer cartoon exhibition at MoMA:
https://cartoonresearch....he-museum-of-modern-art/ 
DudleyDud
2024-03-01T23:35:47Z
It's a real sadness to know that these cartoons will never again be seen by the general public. These gems deserve to be much more popular than they are at present, and it's a shame that some unscrupulous people are doing everything they can to prevent these cartoons from being broadcast, so they'll never gain the fame they deserve.

I just wish I could see them again at least once, but I don't think it'll ever be possible...
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