Mesterius
2020-01-22T03:00:11Z
Originally Posted by: DawnShadow 

Originally Posted by: Mesterius 

Originally Posted by: DawnShadow 

Jerry said before with Popeye that they're using HD scans that the archival department does, and they're doing it in a random order apparently. I reckon that's why the next Popeye volume is on hold, because the archival department hasn't done scans for all the shorts needed.



I doubt that, actually. Jerry made it clear in his first Stu's Show talk about The 1940s Volume 1 that Warner had BEGUN scanning the Popeye cartoons in random order, but that he went in and said, "Can you scan these specifically?" (i.e. the first 14 color cartoons). After the first Popeye Blu-ray set was a success, they have clearly been scanning and restoring them in chronological order. Popeye is on hold right now because WAC wants to give full attention to the Tex Avery Blu-ray release.

Jerry actually specifically addressed this in a Facebook comment posted today :

Quote:

We can only do one project at a time - Popeye is on temporary hold.



Yet they weren't able to do that with Tex Avery and chose to release them out of order. With Popeye, maybe the majority of the shorts were scanned so Jerry only had to request a few. With Tex maybe there's a lot missing. The decision is quite odd to me but it is what it is.



We don't know if the only reason for the out-of-order approach is that they weren't able to restore them all in time. As you said earlier, they could have waited a little longer with releasing the Tex Avery set if they really wanted to do it in chronological order. And as Thad mentioned  -- if Jerry's options were to do a set with selected cartoons now, or wait for the decision to maybe (but maybe not) do a chronological set in the future, then it's easy to understand his decision.
nickramer
2020-01-22T04:43:39Z
Originally Posted by: Leviathan 

I can almost buy the explanation that the Avery cartoons are being restored in a random order. That's mostly born out by the contents. If this were a true "best of" release, we would have seen King Sized Canary, Magical Maestro and at least one of the "Of Tomorrow" cartoons.

The near radio silence is what gets me. IT really suggests they have something to hide.



If they put all their best stuff in one basket, what would they do for an encore?

And this hurt "dim bulb" was supporting Jerry, not Warners.
Mesterius
2020-01-22T05:01:01Z
Originally Posted by: nickramer 

Originally Posted by: Leviathan 

I can almost buy the explanation that the Avery cartoons are being restored in a random order. That's mostly born out by the contents. If this were a true "best of" release, we would have seen King Sized Canary, Magical Maestro and at least one of the "Of Tomorrow" cartoons.

The near radio silence is what gets me. IT really suggests they have something to hide.



If they put all their best stuff in one basket, what would they do for an encore?

And this hurt "dim bulb" was supporting Jerry, not Warners.



Then why are you even referring to that comment by Leviathan? He was specifically talking about Warner.

Originally Posted by: Leviathan 

Only a dim bulb would give Warner unqualified trust given their track record.

fulano7
2020-01-22T13:57:47Z
Originally Posted by: Leviathan 

If we get every short, it will be water under the bridge.



Agreed. My greatest concern was about the non-chronological approach being an excuse to skip some cartoons.

The Tom and Jerry Golden Collection vol 2 was a "traumatic" event and so I was inclined to lose expectations of getting the most controversial Tex shorts.

However, upon reflection, and after reading Jerry's statement that nothing will be skipped, it doesn't seem logical to simply omit shorts from this collection once it continues; considering that WAC is very different from Warner Family Entertainment, having released outrageously racist Popeye cartoons not a long time ago.

I always come to TTTP in Exile in the hope of finding news about Warner announcing Tex Avery Collection.
nickramer
2020-01-22T15:18:39Z
Originally Posted by: Mesterius 

Originally Posted by: nickramer 

Originally Posted by: Leviathan 

I can almost buy the explanation that the Avery cartoons are being restored in a random order. That's mostly born out by the contents. If this were a true "best of" release, we would have seen King Sized Canary, Magical Maestro and at least one of the "Of Tomorrow" cartoons.

The near radio silence is what gets me. IT really suggests they have something to hide.



If they put all their best stuff in one basket, what would they do for an encore?

And this hurt "dim bulb" was supporting Jerry, not Warners.



Then why are you even referring to that comment by Leviathan? He was specifically talking about Warner.

Originally Posted by: Leviathan 

Only a dim bulb would give Warner unqualified trust given their track record.



I thought he was talking about me.
Mesterius
2020-01-22T19:40:50Z
I wish we could get a proper look at the back cover soon. I'm guessing there will be no actual bonus features (not even pre-existing documentaries), but still, it would be nice to see. So would a trailer or clip on YouTube in full 1080p HD.
ohmahaaha
2020-01-22T22:55:53Z
I come to this website for news and information, so I looked forward to some good vibes regarding the Tex Avery Blu Ray set announced this week … but instead I've seen a lot of complaints that are kind of silly, i.e. not complete Tex MGM, cover artwork, not chronological …

Folks, with the exception of Popeye, we have had a significant drought of classic animation DVD/Blu releases. We are now getting some classic Tex Avery which we have all been waiting for. You know how it works - if this sells well like the Popeye releases apparently have, then we will get more. And if we don't, at least we will get this. I've placed my order and I'm looking forward to it!!
Mesterius
2020-01-22T23:13:51Z
Originally Posted by: ohmahaaha 

I come to this website for news and information, so I looked forward to some good vibes regarding the Tex Avery Blu Ray set announced this week … but instead I've seen a lot of complaints that are kind of silly, i.e. not complete Tex MGM, cover artwork, not chronological …

Folks, with the exception of Popeye, we have had a significant drought of classic animation DVD/Blu releases. We are now getting some classic Tex Avery which we have all been waiting for. You know how it works - if this sells well like the Popeye releases apparently have, then we will get more. And if we don't, at least we will get this. I've placed my order and I'm looking forward to it!!



The few criticisms that have been raised are all valid. The lack of a chronological presentation IS disappointing compared to WAC's recent Popeye Blu-rays (and disappointing in itself). So is the sub-standard cover motive. Not only the Popeye Blu-rays, but also Warner's old Droopy DVD set from 2007 had much better cover art.

And when it comes to the restorations, there's definitely good reason to wonder if Warner has managed to source all the films on this set from the best-looking interpositives, rather than repeat the mistakes they made with a number of the Tom and Jerry cartoons in the past. We're all hoping for the best, of course, but it's impossible to know for sure.

Those of us who mention this stuff do it because we care, not because we think this Blu-ray release isn't good news. I'm ecstatic that a good number of Tex Avery films will FINALLY be released on restored Blu-ray, and I have every intention of buying and supporting this release the moment it becomes available for pre-order to my country. I think the same is the case for everybody else here who has raised concerns and criticism.
raginggoodfella
2020-01-23T00:29:25Z
Would fans be happier be if Warner would release a Tex Avery set similar to Porky Pig’s 101 set? Not high quality prints were used, but at least uncut cartoons( not counting the errors that Thad pointed out in his review). I love Tex’s stuff, but I do not know if this 1st volume is worth buying for me. I already these cartoons already uncensored from various sources. Like others said, this approach gives Warner’s a way out not to release the more un- pc stuff.
Mesterius
2020-01-23T00:37:33Z
Originally Posted by: raginggoodfella 

Would fans be happier be if Warner would release a Tex Avery set similar to Porky Pig’s 101 set? Not high quality prints were used, but at least uncut cartoons( not counting the errors that Thad pointed out in his review). I love Tex’s stuff, but I do not know if this 1st volume is worth buying for me. I already these cartoons already uncensored from various sources. Like others said, this approach gives Warner’s a way out not to release the more un- pc stuff.



The cartoons themselves can of course be found uncensored around the interwebs. The selling point of this Blu-ray release is that they will be fully restored and cleaned up for the first time ever -- AND presented in full 1080p HD. That makes this release a million times more interesting to me than a chronological DVD set with the "quality" standards of Porky Pig 101 would have been.
Lee B
2020-01-23T01:06:27Z
Originally Posted by: raginggoodfella 

Like others said, this approach gives Warner’s a way out not to release the more un- pc stuff.



I don't understand why anyone would even assume WAC is looking for a way to skip the risky stuff...we just had three volumes of Popeyes from the same period and there wasn't an edit anywhere or a film avoided. Un-PC shorts like Pop-pie A la Mode and The Island Fling were included without so much as a hiccup.

Those most recent releases should assuage anyone's concerns, at least for now.
Jason Todd
2020-01-23T01:58:17Z
Originally Posted by: Lee B 

Originally Posted by: raginggoodfella 

Like others said, this approach gives Warner’s a way out not to release the more un- pc stuff.



I don't understand why anyone would even assume WAC is looking for a way to skip the risky stuff...we just had three volumes of Popeyes from the same period and there wasn't an edit anywhere or a film avoided. Un-PC shorts like Pop-pie A la Mode and The Island Fling were included without so much as a hiccup.

Those most recent releases should assuage anyone's concerns, at least for now.



I agree. I do understand where they’re coming from, though. Warner’s track record with the MGM cartoons has been a little rocky.

Nevertheless, we can all hope that they’ll prove us wrong.
fulano7
2020-01-23T02:16:16Z
Originally Posted by: Lee B 

Originally Posted by: raginggoodfella 

Like others said, this approach gives Warner’s a way out not to release the more un- pc stuff.



I don't understand why anyone would even assume WAC is looking for a way to skip the risky stuff...we just had three volumes of Popeyes from the same period and there wasn't an edit anywhere or a film avoided. Un-PC shorts like Pop-pie A la Mode and The Island Fling were included without so much as a hiccup.

Those most recent releases should assuage anyone's concerns, at least for now.



Uncle Tom's Cabaña, Half-Pint Pigmy and any censored eleven are no worse than that one... And that features a well-known character...
I always come to TTTP in Exile in the hope of finding news about Warner announcing Tex Avery Collection.
Mesterius
2020-01-23T02:25:29Z
Originally Posted by: Lee B 

Originally Posted by: raginggoodfella 

Like others said, this approach gives Warner’s a way out not to release the more un- pc stuff.



I don't understand why anyone would even assume WAC is looking for a way to skip the risky stuff...we just had three volumes of Popeyes from the same period and there wasn't an edit anywhere or a film avoided. Un-PC shorts like Pop-pie A la Mode and The Island Fling were included without so much as a hiccup.

Those most recent releases should assuage anyone's concerns, at least for now.



I get what you're saying, but here's a thing to remember: Popeye is a different case than both Tex Avery and Tom and Jerry. Unlike T&J and Avery, Warner Brothers doesn't own the character of Popeye, only the classic theatrical cartoons. So they aren't concerned about the "image" of the character the way they often are with the MGM cartoon stars, which they own 100% themselves.

I know I said before that Warner considers Tom and Jerry a family brand much more than Tex Avery, and I still think that's true. At the same time, though, specific films with blackface gags are missing from the Screwy Squirrel and George and Junior selections on the upcoming Blu-ray.
Leviathan
2020-01-23T03:17:12Z
Originally Posted by: Mesterius 

Originally Posted by: Lee B 

Originally Posted by: raginggoodfella 

Like others said, this approach gives Warner’s a way out not to release the more un- pc stuff.



I don't understand why anyone would even assume WAC is looking for a way to skip the risky stuff...we just had three volumes of Popeyes from the same period and there wasn't an edit anywhere or a film avoided. Un-PC shorts like Pop-pie A la Mode and The Island Fling were included without so much as a hiccup.

Those most recent releases should assuage anyone's concerns, at least for now.



I get what you're saying, but here's a thing to remember: Popeye is a different case than both Tex Avery and Tom and Jerry. Unlike T&J and Avery, Warner Brothers doesn't own the character of Popeye, only the classic theatrical cartoons. So they aren't concerned about the "image" of the character the way they often are with the MGM cartoon stars, which they own 100% themselves.

I know I said before that Warner considers Tom and Jerry a family brand much more than Tex Avery, and I still think that's true. At the same time, though, specific films with blackface gags are missing from the Screwy Squirrel and George and Junior selections on the upcoming Blu-ray.


Otoh, Garden Gopher is there, and that is the only Avery to have never been issued on home video uncut.


nickramer
2020-01-23T20:15:59Z
Originally Posted by: raginggoodfella 

Would fans be happier be if Warner would release a Tex Avery set similar to Porky Pig’s 101 set? Not high quality prints were used, but at least uncut cartoons( not counting the errors that Thad pointed out in his review). I love Tex’s stuff, but I do not know if this 1st volume is worth buying for me. I already these cartoons already uncensored from various sources. Like others said, this approach gives Warner’s a way out not to release the more un- pc stuff.



So, you don't want these cartoon restored? Because that's what would be sacrificed.
raginggoodfella
2020-01-23T21:54:17Z
Originally Posted by: nickramer 

Originally Posted by: raginggoodfella 

Would fans be happier be if Warner would release a Tex Avery set similar to Porky Pig’s 101 set? Not high quality prints were used, but at least uncut cartoons( not counting the errors that Thad pointed out in his review). I love Tex’s stuff, but I do not know if this 1st volume is worth buying for me. I already these cartoons already uncensored from various sources. Like others said, this approach gives Warner’s a way out not to release the more un- pc stuff.



So, you don't want these cartoon restored? Because that's what would be sacrificed.



I want like them restored but I think a complete uncut Tex Avery set is long overdue. And considering what happened twice to T&J sets, I do not see how Tex would NOT have the same fate. I rather have TEX AVERY 101 than a potentially incomplete set due to poor sales, etc.. But on the positive side, I did not complain about the cover art.
Mesterius
2020-01-23T22:39:03Z
Originally Posted by: raginggoodfella 

Originally Posted by: nickramer 

Originally Posted by: raginggoodfella 

Would fans be happier be if Warner would release a Tex Avery set similar to Porky Pig’s 101 set? Not high quality prints were used, but at least uncut cartoons( not counting the errors that Thad pointed out in his review). I love Tex’s stuff, but I do not know if this 1st volume is worth buying for me. I already these cartoons already uncensored from various sources. Like others said, this approach gives Warner’s a way out not to release the more un- pc stuff.



So, you don't want these cartoon restored? Because that's what would be sacrificed.



I want like them restored but I think a complete uncut Tex Avery set is long overdue. And considering what happened twice to T&J sets, I do not see how Tex would NOT have the same fate. I rather have TEX AVERY 101 than a potentially incomplete set due to poor sales, etc.. But on the positive side, I did not complain about the cover art.



Nothing has indicated that this first Blu-ray volume will have "poor sales". In fact, if what I'm seeing here is correct , it's currently #68 on WB Shop's list of best-selling Blu-rays. That's two days after it was put up for pre-order.

And again: what happened with Tom and Jerry had NOTHING do to with sales. It had EVERYTHING to do with the two shorts "Mouse Cleaning" and "Casanova Cat" being on a blacklist at Warner for the past two decades or so, despite other T&J shorts that have been released containing arguably just as offensive material (like "His Mouse Friday", which has been available to purchase from Warner on YouTube for many years). We can only hope that none of Tex's MGM cartoons are on this bizarre and irrational blacklist.

Whatever the case, though... A set of fully restored Tex Avery shorts presented in HD is vastly preferable to a complete set using crappy broadcast tape copies and the like.
raginggoodfella
2020-01-23T23:24:27Z
RE: HIS MOUSE FRIDAY If I remember correctly, (I do not own any of T&J Spotlight Collection). there is a few edits in that cartoon. The un-pc character’s voice is different or muted. And there is close up of one the island natives that is gone. I think some of the posters( Jon? Thad? Lev?)at the old GAC forum pointed it out first.
Leviathan
2020-01-23T23:34:42Z
Originally Posted by: Mesterius 


Nothing has indicated that this first Blu-ray volume will have "poor sales". In fact, if what I'm seeing here is correct , it's currently #68 on WB Shop's list of best-selling Blu-rays. That's two days after it was put up for pre-order.



Quite the contrary to "bad sales". Notable, it jumped from Page 7 to page 3 in 24 hours, and it won't even be out for a month.

Hopefully that ensures that the gaps between volumes will be a minimum (like Popeye V2 and V3).