Jason Todd
2017-12-09T06:23:58Z
For those of you who own a copy of Warner Home Video's two-disc DVD set containing all of the Fleischer/Famous Superman cartoons, have you ever noticed that the vast majority of those transfers contain flaws very similar to those found on the Porky set?

This literally just now occurred to me...

In 2009, Warner Home Video released Max Fleischer's Superman: 1941-1942--a two-disc set containing all seventeen Superman shorts, presented in chronological order. Touted as having been digitally restored from original thirty-five millimeter elements, these transfers are, at the very least, an improvement over those of Bosko Video or VCI Entertainment...except for one major problem: in many cases, the opening and closing audio cues are incorrect. This is a blatant issue, which Warner obviously continued with subsequent releases--specifically the Porky Pig set.

A similar issue can be noticed in the case of WHV's restoration of Popeye the Sailor Meets Sindbad the Sailor, in which the ending music from Olive Oyl for President is spliced onto the closing title sequence.

Bottom line: the issue with incorrect audio cues being tacked onto select shorts is NOT an isolated incident. It's pretty stupid, if you ask me...
WaltWiz1901
2017-12-09T17:47:41Z
Originally Posted by: Jason Todd 

For those of you who own a copy of Warner Home Video's two-disc DVD set containing all of the Fleischer/Famous Superman cartoons, have you ever noticed that the vast majority of those transfers contain flaws very similar to those found on the Porky set?

This literally just now occurred to me...

In 2009, Warner Home Video released Max Fleischer's Superman: 1941-1942--a two-disc set containing all seventeen Superman shorts, presented in chronological order. Touted as having been digitally restored from original thirty-five millimeter elements, these transfers are, at the very least, an improvement over those of Bosko Video or VCI Entertainment...except for one major problem: in many cases, the opening and closing audio cues are incorrect. This is a blatant issue, which Warner obviously continued with subsequent releases--specifically the Porky Pig set.

A similar issue can be noticed in the case of WHV's restoration of Popeye the Sailor Meets Sindbad the Sailor, in which the ending music from Olive Oyl for President is spliced onto the closing title sequence.

Bottom line: the issue with incorrect audio cues being tacked onto select shorts is NOT an isolated incident. It's pretty stupid, if you ask me...


They also did the same thing on the Golden Collection release of Canned Feud. Strangely enough, the French and commentary tracks of that short on the same disc it's on feature the correct music cue, which makes no sense at all giving how the rest of the shorts on the set feature the same music cue no matter what audio option it is.
Jason Todd
2017-12-09T18:35:05Z
Originally Posted by: WaltWiz1901 

They also did the same thing on the Golden Collection release of Canned Feud. Strangely enough, the French and commentary tracks of that short on the same disc it's on feature the correct music cue, which makes no sense at all giving how the rest of the shorts on the set feature the same music cue no matter what audio option it is.



Also on the Golden Collection Volume 3 release of Daffy Duck and Egghead, the wrong audio cue is chosen for the closing title sequence.
nickramer
2017-12-09T22:08:51Z
Not trying to be rude, Jason, but is there any chances of putting all these complaints about the restoration job of Warner releases under the sun in a single thread instead ? I feel like this sub-forum is starting to get cluttered of these types of threads.
Mesterius
2017-12-09T23:05:43Z
Originally Posted by: nickramer 

Not trying to be rude, Jason, but is there any chances of putting all these complaints about the restoration job of Warner releases under the sun in a single thread instead ? I feel like this sub-forum is starting to get cluttered of these types of threads.



THANK YOU for saying that out loud! I have honestly felt the same for quite some time.
Jason Todd
2017-12-09T23:44:00Z
Alright. I'll simply do that from now on.
LuckyToon
2017-12-11T20:08:34Z
Originally Posted by: Jason Todd 


Also on the Golden Collection Volume 3 release of Daffy Duck and Egghead, the wrong audio cue is chosen for the closing title sequence.



Even Speaking of the Weather on GC Vol. 3 has that same incorrect closing music cue issue. And the reason for both cartoons having this issue is because due to the USA Turner "dubbed version " being the sources for the soundtracks.
LuckyToon
2017-12-11T20:22:01Z
Disney is also guilty of the same thing, since a few black and white Mickey cartoons on the Treasure sets also use incorrect opening and closing music cues, and even new ones made by Disney replacing the originals.
WaltWiz1901
2017-12-11T21:09:50Z
Originally Posted by: LuckyToon 

Disney is also guilty of the same thing, since a few black and white Mickey cartoons on the Treasure sets also use incorrect opening and closing music cues, and even new ones made by Disney replacing the originals.


I don't get that. If the music cues were just fine the way they were (barring those that didn't open with any or were replaced even before they came out on the Treasures - most of the errors you mentioned stem from the LaserDisc release of the first volume's shorts from 1993), why didn't Disney bother to find the right cues and use them for the DVD releases? Isn't it equally ironic that on the second volume, two shorts were said to have lost their opening cues....and didn't open with any at all?

The Skeleton Dance on the first Silly Symphonies set has a similar issue as well - it originally didn't have any opening music!
2017-12-11T23:27:18Z
Guessing they figured they could use their existing (presumably digital) audio masters and not have to go back and transfer and clean up original track.
WaltWiz1901
2017-12-12T00:26:17Z
Originally Posted by: Paul Thrussell 

Guessing they figured they could use their existing (presumably digital) audio masters and not have to go back and transfer and clean up original track.


That's obviously right for the 28 shorts that were on the first DVD that looked like they came from the LaserDisc transfers (the booklet included with the LaserDisc set notifies that most of the title cards for those shorts are - for the time being - lost).

The second volume, which was released 11 years after the majority of the first volume was released and restored on LaserDisc, features much less "wrong music cue" flaws than the first volume, but still has some mistakes (The Steeple-Chase has the Donald Duck theme playing during the title card, for example).
nickramer
2017-12-12T06:36:55Z
I'm surprised people didn't complain about the odd Disney Educational print of "Double Dribble" (Is the cartoon even that educational?) that was in "The Complete Goofy" set.
WaltWiz1901
2017-12-12T18:52:50Z
Originally Posted by: nickramer 

I'm surprised people didn't complain about the odd Disney Educational print of "Double Dribble" (Is the cartoon even that educational?) that was in "The Complete Goofy" set.


I didn't get around to watching that short on DVD yet, so I can't clarify. I did notice that another short, How to Play Baseball, had the same sort of print used there, though.

Anyone else wish that Disney didn't throw out or sell their supply of additional prints for multiple material that obtained things that weren't on the main prints shortly after Michael Eisner became their CEO?
LuckyToon
2017-12-13T01:18:32Z
Originally Posted by: WaltWiz1901 


They also did the same thing on the Golden Collection release of Canned Feud. Strangely enough, the French and commentary tracks of that short on the same disc it's on feature the correct music cue, which makes no sense at all giving how the rest of the shorts on the set feature the same music cue no matter what audio option it is.



I wonder if they fixed that issue on its release of Platinum Collection Vol. 2. And besides, that copy has its original opening rings restored back to the cartoon.
WaltWiz1901
2017-12-13T02:23:44Z
Originally Posted by: LuckyToon 

Originally Posted by: WaltWiz1901 


They also did the same thing on the Golden Collection release of Canned Feud. Strangely enough, the French and commentary tracks of that short on the same disc it's on feature the correct music cue, which makes no sense at all giving how the rest of the shorts on the set feature the same music cue no matter what audio option it is.



I wonder if they fixed that issue on its release of Platinum Collection Vol. 2. And besides, that copy has its original opening rings restored back to the cartoon.


They did.

(Not only were the original opening rings placed back into the short, but the title card was restored to its original color.)
dbear
2017-12-17T12:30:09Z
Originally Posted by: Jason Todd 

A similar issue can be noticed in the case of WHV's restoration of Popeye the Sailor Meets Sindbad the Sailor, in which the ending music from Olive Oyl for President is spliced onto the closing title sequence.



Sindbad was understandable, during the time of the DVD restoration, the ending audio track could not be located even though the picture element survived... at least until a few days ago when this popped out of nowhere:


ParamountCartoons
2017-12-17T22:40:10Z
Originally Posted by: dbear 

Originally Posted by: Jason Todd 

A similar issue can be noticed in the case of WHV's restoration of Popeye the Sailor Meets Sindbad the Sailor, in which the ending music from Olive Oyl for President is spliced onto the closing title sequence.



Sindbad was understandable, during the time of the DVD restoration, the ending audio track could not be located even though the picture element survived... at least until a few days ago when this popped out of nowhere:




Wonderful! That made my day!

Honest transfer too, given how John K bashed the hell out the of the colors for the WHV DVD in his blog.

And to go a little off-topic, I wish Popeye Meets Sinbad won the Oscar instead of that Country Cousin film which had a weak story, also unfair for the voters too. I know you may like it, but saw the whole cartoon (Country Cousin) and it's clear they just wanted to give Walt another Oscar. I mean Popeye Meets Sindbad inspired Ray Harryhausen for crying out loud!
Mesterius
2017-12-18T01:02:12Z
Originally Posted by: dbear 

Originally Posted by: Jason Todd 

A similar issue can be noticed in the case of WHV's restoration of Popeye the Sailor Meets Sindbad the Sailor, in which the ending music from Olive Oyl for President is spliced onto the closing title sequence.



Sindbad was understandable, during the time of the DVD restoration, the ending audio track could not be located even though the picture element survived... at least until a few days ago when this popped out of nowhere:




What the FUCK! A 1080p copy of Popeye Meets Sindbad with original end title music?? Thank you so much for sharing! 😃 (And this seriously deserves its own thread.)

Granted, I didn't remember the exact end title cue on the DVD offhand, and had to check a copy for comparison. But how wonderful to see that the original exists out there. It's unfortunate, however, that the music seems to be cut off at the very end, right before the "This has been a Library of Congress presentation". And it even starts fading out before the cut, which feels very strange.