PopKorn Kat
2017-09-24T05:22:40Z
Originally Posted by: Mr.Snrub 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x61se4s

Here's an example of me putting the correct beginning in.



May I ask what program you’re using to edit these? I’m asking because I have something called VDSC Video Editor and it’s really clunky. The only other option is iMovie for macOS and I haven’t figured out how to change the aspect ratio to anything but 16:9.

For reference, I can use Windows 10 and macOS Sierra.
Kristjan
2017-09-24T05:44:14Z
So guy when you are done fixing those problems why don't you mail the result back to the warners?
SuperMuppet64
2017-09-24T11:48:10Z
now that i think about it, i think we might need an answer from the archive or jerry on why some of the title card music was replaced...it's a very strange issue.
Mr.Snrub
2017-09-24T15:17:13Z
Originally Posted by: PopKorn Kat 

Originally Posted by: Mr.Snrub 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x61se4s

Here's an example of me putting the correct beginning in.



May I ask what program you’re using to edit these? I’m asking because I have something called VDSC Video Editor and it’s really clunky. The only other option is iMovie for macOS and I haven’t figured out how to change the aspect ratio to anything but 16:9.

For reference, I can use Windows 10 and macOS Sierra.




Adobe Premiere

Mr.Snrub
2017-09-24T15:30:54Z
Originally Posted by: SuperMuppet64 

now that i think about it, i think we might need an answer from the archive or jerry on why some of the title card music was replaced...it's a very strange issue.




They used old masters from the 90's that were usually shown on CN or Nick. The music was spliced into those masters years ago. I wish Jerry would say something about this release. It's great that we have these on DVD and stuff, but my god, do a majority of the new releases look like utter horse shit. I wish there was a little more care. Thunderbean does a way better job, and they probably don't have as many people or time, and yet they produce wonderful blu-ray/dvd sets with beautiful transfers from existing material they can acquire.
SuperMuppet64
2017-09-24T16:33:56Z
Originally Posted by: Mr.Snrub 

They used old masters from the 90's that were usually shown on CN or Nick.


for the record the 90s masters were on video and not film (majority of these transfers are taken from old interpositives)
and im pretty sure none of the 90s versions ever had the music for porky's tire trouble played a thousand times
PopKorn Kat
2017-09-24T17:59:40Z
Bad news, folks, there are no plans to fix the errors on the set. From Jerry Beck himself  (I got this from Orange Mo from the Looney Tunes Wiki):
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I'm afraid there are no plans to do disc replacements on Porky 101.

Porky Pig 101 was designed and advertised solely as a comprehensive collection of the black & white Porky Pig Looney Tunes cartoons, which it is. Because we had to pull elements from disparate sources within the company, we acknowledge some elements sourced have replaced opening or closing music cues. The contents of the cartoons themselves are as complete as possible, having been either digitally restored or transferred from 35mm nitrate fine-grain prints.

The bottom line: We know the prints here aren't "perfect", nor can compare to the kind of restoration work, done off the original negs (that Warner put into the previous Golden Collections), but there are about 60+plus cartoons on this set the company would never have put out before, nor ever will again.

If we are lucky and the sales figures are good, this sort of thing, using lesser film elements unrestored, will not happen again.


Cool_Cat
2017-09-24T18:44:17Z
When my set will deliver I'll see what I can do with Vegas Pro and/or Adobe Premiere to make them look better. I've done this on 3 of WB's later restorations and I'm getting good results.

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To ONLY those who own the Porky Pig set, contact me privately and I'll send you my corrected versions.
ParamountCartoons
2017-09-24T22:41:49Z
Even if it's not perfect.....

BUY THIS SET!


Sorry to yell, but you're never satisfied!
Lynn
2017-09-24T23:17:35Z
I agree, I watched several of the cartoons and am pleased with purchase. I knew it was not going to be blu-ray and did not expect perfection.
vdubdavid
2017-09-25T05:45:39Z
Originally Posted by: PopKorn Kat 

Bad news, folks, there are no plans to fix the errors on the set. From Jerry Beck himself  (I got this from Orange Mo from the Looney Tunes Wiki):

Quote:


I'm afraid there are no plans to do disc replacements on Porky 101.

Porky Pig 101 was designed and advertised solely as a comprehensive collection of the black & white Porky Pig Looney Tunes cartoons, which it is. Because we had to pull elements from disparate sources within the company, we acknowledge some elements sourced have replaced opening or closing music cues. The contents of the cartoons themselves are as complete as possible, having been either digitally restored or transferred from 35mm nitrate fine-grain prints.

The bottom line: We know the prints here aren't "perfect", nor can compare to the kind of restoration work, done off the original negs (that Warner put into the previous Golden Collections), but there are about 60+plus cartoons on this set the company would never have put out before, nor ever will again.

If we are lucky and the sales figures are good, this sort of thing, using lesser film elements unrestored, will not happen again.



Here's what I don't understand about this. Why is it the animated product always needs to prove itself over and over again? Especially now with the Warner Archive. Did this agonizing about how or what to put out happen with the wonderful Joe McDoakes collection? What about the multiple 'Vitaphone Varieties' sets? Those came out years ago with material far more obscure than Porky Pig.

It wouldn't sting so bad if we'd had a bit more explanation before hand. If the deal was we had to take old video-era masters to get to the good stuff, then I would have still paid the price. However, it's not that the material is 'unrestored'. It's the fact that it's been mucked about so badly. I mean, taking the unique music from one short and looping it over a completely different one? I'm glad most people are putting a bright face on the situation, talking about how they're going to fix things on their own, but the bottom line to me is we shouldn't have to do that. Would you accept this on any feature film that's particularly dear to you? It all comes back to this seeming mentality that people won't buy animation yet will buy almost everything else.

But in the end, they've already got my money, and that of a fair number of the rest of us I'm guessing. Furthermore, I'm guessing our grumbling isn't going to be enough to derail how this set is received. I'm certainly not going to return the set, because I want what Mr. Beck says to come true.

It makes me wonder if there couldn't have been a third way. Something else that could have tested the waters without having to resort to material that is apparently 20-something years old and unsuited to modern media.
PopKorn Kat
2017-09-25T06:33:45Z
I just skimmed to the end of "Shanghaied Shipmates" and...does anyone else's copy have glitchy squares show up on screen at 6:53 to 6:54, or is it just me? And yes, I checked my disc and it has absolutely no scratches.

Here's the link to the image. 
SuperMuppet64
2017-09-25T10:19:10Z
just checked my disc. it also has the glitchy squares...oof

even with this set's imperfections, i still appreciate and enjoy it. the cartoons themselves seem to be all there, minus porky the wrestler's mysterious cut gag. i do hope someday the wounds this set presented could be healed however.
Cool_Cat
2017-09-25T12:48:33Z
It looks like shorts like Porky's Tire Trouble can totally be fixed. It's like they threw in the raw scan with minimal contrast correction.

To anyone who's interested, here's my work on the Platinum Collection Volume 3 transfer of Bully for Bugs. I still need to fix a few things but at least I have it in BD quality.

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Toonatic
2017-09-25T18:17:16Z
Warner should really hire you. 😉
SuperMuppet64
2017-09-25T18:49:24Z
not gonna lie that untouched bully for bugs looks pretty fine as it is, even if slightly damp. i feel the warmer colors might reflect the generally saturated look of technicolor and the cartoons themselves. very nice improvements on jerry and jumbo though, a shame some of the t&j gc vol.2 remasters were pretty dark.
Cool_Cat
2017-09-25T20:02:27Z
I don't exactly agree with Bully for Bugs being supposed to look like that. The red and yellow colors just look way too dark IMO. All the 4 previous prints I own do not have that issue.

In any case, this is my last comparison before I'll start working on the Porky set so I won't go off topic. This is my take on The Big Snooze (from the Platinum Collection Volume 3, so no DVNR):

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EDIT: can't resist to post another one, I promise it's the last one.

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nickramer
2017-09-25T20:57:57Z
Honestly, I think we are getting too damn picky on restoration work recently.
SuperMuppet64
2017-09-25T22:05:43Z
warners looked pretty alright but tom and jerrys definitely needed some fine-tuning. other than that, maybe pickiness is here and there. i havent really paid attention to any of the modern looney tunes restorations because im so fixated on mgm cartoons
Biff-Stew
2017-09-26T00:31:50Z
Just got the set today, and I was pleased. Most of the new-to-DVD shorts look great! Here are some screenshots.
Porky's Building
Porky's Hotel
Porky's Spring Planting
The Timid Toreador
The Village Smithy

However, in addition to those weird audio/video flubs already mentioned, there are a fair amount of shorts that have warped audio. Here is a list of them:

Get Rich Quick Porky
Injun Trouble (not really noticeable)
Picador Porky
Porky's Garden
Porky's Moving Day
Porky's Phoney Express (not warped as much as the others, but still a bit noticeable)
Porky's Spring Planting (ditto)
Porky and Gabby (heavily)
Porky the Wrestler

Despite all the flaws, I would still recommend this DVD set. It shows a slightly promising future. Like I said earlier, a lot of the new-to-DVD shorts look great, especially the 1940-1943 ones. They look like cartoons that were planned to be used on Golden Collections! [porky]