OutOfOdor
2016-06-28T17:01:25Z
This list is possibly incomplete, as it is mostly drawn from Mill Creek's Giant 600 Cartoon Collection. If anyone can add some stuff to the list, that would be appreciated.
Alice Comedies:
Alice's Egg Plant (sound print from Raytone)
Alice's Mysterious Mystery (Home Film Libraries print, tacked-on B&W 1950s/40s Disney end title
Alice's Orphan (Winkler print with Raytone soundtrack, abrupt end)
Alice's Tin Pony (silent Raytone print with Laurence Welk music playing)
Alice in the Jungle (sound print from Raytone)
Alice Rattled by Rats (sound print from Raytone)
Alice Solves the Puzzle (sound print from Raytone)
Alice the Jail Bird (sound print from Raytone)
Alice the Toreador (Winkler print, Jelly Roll Morton music)
Alice the Whaler (FBO print with soundtrack from unknown source)

Oswald the Lucky Rabbit:
Great Guns (Guild "Oswald Rabbit Presents" titles, sound added)
The Mechanical Cow (Guild "Oswald Rabbit Presents" titles, sound added)

Felix the Cat:
Arabiantics (sound version)
Felix All Puzzled (Abridged Kodak Cinegraph print, Jelly Roll Morton music)
Felix Dines and Pines (original titles, honky-tonk piano soundtrack)
Felix Doubles for Darwin (original titles, Jelly Roll Morton music)
Felix Finds Out (original titles, Kodascope Libraries Jelly Roll Morton music)
Felix Gets Broadcasted (Abridged [?] home movie print [?] with no title card, honky-tonk piano soundtrack)
Felix Gets the Can (original titles, Jelly Roll Morton music)
Felix in Fairyland (original titles, honky-tonk piano soundtrack)
Felix in Hollywood (original titles, Kodascope Libraries end titles, Jelly Roll Morton music)
Felix Monkeys with Magic (original titles with generic "The End" card, Jelly Roll Morton music)
Felix Turns the Tide (beaten up print with original title card, Official Films soundtrack)
Futuritzy (sound version)
Outdoor Indore (sound version)
Polly-Tics (sound version)
The Non-Stop Fright (sound version)

Aesop's Fables:
In Dutch (Commonwealth print, organ music)
She's in Again (Commonwealth print, organ music)
Small Town Sheriff (Commonwealth print, soundtrack from "Go Go Go World")
Snapping the Whip (Commonwealth print, organ music)
Static (Commonwealth print, organ music)
The Black Duck (Fabletoons print)
The Traveling Salesman (Commonwealth print retitled "Smart Salesman", organ music)
The Windjammers (Commonwealth print, organ music)
Two of a Trade (Commonwealth print, organ music)
Watered Stock (Commonwealth print, organ music)
Where Friendship Ceases (Commonwealth print, organ music)
Why Argue (Commonwealth print, organ music)

Mutt and Jeff:
Slick Sleuths (redrawn version from Modern Film Sale)
Westward Whoa (redrawn version from Modern Film Sales, fake "The End" card)

Edison:
Farmer Al Falfa's Wayward Pup (original title card, organ music, no end card)
"With all respect to the great mousetrap."- Popeye, "The Spinach Overture" (1935)
PopKorn Kat
2016-06-28T17:21:38Z
The Giant 600 Cartoon Collection also has Farmer Alfalfa's Wayward Pup (1917).
kazblox
2016-06-28T19:42:13Z
A lot of Mill Creek's silent cartoon prints, including the Paul Terry ones, come from stock footage companies, who appear to have borrowed many PD footage from Tom's Vintage Film DVDs. I wonder if they even did ask Tom Stathes for permission to copy his transfers. If they didn't, shame on them!
OutOfOdor
2016-06-28T21:59:25Z
Originally Posted by: kazblox 

A lot of Mill Creek's silent cartoon prints, including the Paul Terry ones, come from stock footage companies, who appear to have borrowed many PD footage from Tom's Vintage Film DVDs. I wonder if they even did ask Tom Stathes for permission to copy his transfers. If they didn't, shame on them!



Do you happen to know where the organ music in some of the silent Fables and honky-tonk piano in some of the Felixes came from?
"With all respect to the great mousetrap."- Popeye, "The Spinach Overture" (1935)
Mejo
2023-08-20T18:13:03Z
Originally Posted by: kazblox 

A lot of Mill Creek's silent cartoon prints, including the Paul Terry ones, come from stock footage companies, who appear to have borrowed many PD footage from Tom's Vintage Film DVDs. I wonder if they even did ask Tom Stathes for permission to copy his transfers. If they didn't, shame on them!



Yeah, shame on them!
OutOfOdor
2023-08-20T19:18:24Z
Originally Posted by: kazblox 

A lot of Mill Creek's silent cartoon prints, including the Paul Terry ones, come from stock footage companies, who appear to have borrowed many PD footage from Tom's Vintage Film DVDs. I wonder if they even did ask Tom Stathes for permission to copy his transfers. If they didn't, shame on them!



Man, I forgot I even started this thread! Anyhoo, in the years since I made this, I've since discovered the sources for many of the silent-era cartoons Mill Creek released on their mega 'toon collections. I can happily say that none of these are directly sourced from the Stathes Collection, rather from various pre-existing home video compilations.

Most, if not all, of the silent Fables on the 600 Cartoon Collection are actually derived from a series of VHS tapes put out by a company called Video Yesteryear in the 1980s or thereabouts. One of the stock footage companies supplying cartoons to these public domain firms must have had one of these tapes on hand and yoinked the cartoons from those.

No idea where the Alices came from, but the Felix cartoons appear to come from a few different sources. A few of them, like "...Gets Broadcasted", "...Dines and Pines" and "...in Fairyland" are seemingly from an obscure tape compilation simply titled "Felix Cartoon Compilation", and released by some obscure firm known as 1/2 Inch Heaven, as per the ever-reliable Gerstein Felix Filmography. The ones with the Jelly Roll Morton soundtrack (and running at a pretty sluggish projection speed) are from a compilation from another company called Delta, but I don't know if the transfers actually originated with them.
"With all respect to the great mousetrap."- Popeye, "The Spinach Overture" (1935)
Tommy Stathes
2023-08-21T04:09:09Z
The VHS days were sort of like the days of gray/black market 16mm dupers and pirates—if the source films were PD, everyone was copying everyone else's material. The early DVD days were a new and somewhat more robust, but also more niche version of the VHS realm.

I started selling DVD-Rs of silent cartoons as a high schooler, and at a time when my own 16mm collection wasn't large at all. Many of my sources were pre-existing (and sometimes extremely obscure) VHS releases, or rough telecines of films that only circulated in limited tape trading circles. I don't recall any companies like Digiview or Mill Creek lifting things I put out on DVD-R. That's possibly because a lot of those transfers/dubs I redistributed in a *very* limited way were far too low quality for 'formal' store shelf-quality products!

Bobby Bickert
2023-08-21T19:44:54Z
Originally Posted by: OutOfOdor 

Most, if not all, of the silent Fables on the 600 Cartoon Collection are actually derived from a series of VHS tapes put out by a company called Video Yesteryear in the 1980s or thereabouts.



Somewhere I have Video Yesteryear's "Popeye the Sailor" VHS tape (the 3 Technicolor two-reelers) that I ordered by mail from their print catalog back in 1986, nearly 2 years before my family had a VCR. (But you could rent video tape players back then.) Of course the quality can't compare with WB's restored versions, but I don't think I could part with it since it's one of my first VHS tapes.

Bobby Bickert
2023-08-21T19:49:36Z
Originally Posted by: Tommy Stathes 

I started selling DVD-Rs of silent cartoons as a high schooler, and at a time when my own 16mm collection wasn't large at all.



And I bought some of them from you: Alice Comedies, silent Felix and Out of the Inkwell. Hopefully my sister hasn't gotten rid of them.

(And I hope I don't get in trouble for double posting.)