Bonny MacLaren
2023-11-30T17:18:31Z
I've noticed that different animated series have used the same style of drawing for intertitles, and this leads me to assume that there must have been companies or independent artists designing intertitles for animation studios in the 20s.

To cite an example, the Jerry on the Job series uses exactly the same kind of intertitles as the first cartoons produced by Paul Terry.










Do you know which artists designed the intertitles?
Jimmy Two Shoes
2023-12-02T22:37:02Z
Apparently, Bill Tytla was the person who did the lettering on the title cards for Paul Terry's Fables, and was given the name "Tytla the Titler" by his colleagues. I therefore assume that it was probably he who did the lettering and small drawings on the title cards for the Jerry on the job series, although there's absolutely no evidence to support this at present.

If my theory is correct, I think he may also have designed the opening card featuring Jerry and his boss, but I'd need the advice of someone more experienced than me to confirm this.
ArcLordOne
2023-12-06T00:39:38Z
For all we know, it was Leon Schlesinger!
Jimmy Two Shoes
2023-12-06T03:53:50Z
Originally Posted by: ArcLordOne 

For all we know, it was Leon Schlesinger!



I think he meant title cards for animated films, and it seems that Leon Schlesinger only worked on live-action films.
Bonny MacLaren
2023-12-16T00:23:41Z
Originally Posted by: Jimmy Two Shoes 

Apparently, Bill Tytla was the person who did the lettering on the title cards for Paul Terry's Fables, and was given the name "Tytla the Titler" by his colleagues. I therefore assume that it was probably he who did the lettering and small drawings on the title cards for the Jerry on the job series, although there's absolutely no evidence to support this at present.

If my theory is correct, I think he may also have designed the opening card featuring Jerry and his boss, but I'd need the advice of someone more experienced than me to confirm this.



I didn't know that Bill Tytla had drawn the intertitle cards for the Paul Terry and Bray cartoons, it's really very interesting information, thank you very much for sharing it!

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For all we know, it was Leon Schlesinger!



So Leon Schlesinger was a designer before becoming the great producer we all know?
You also taught me something I didn't know!

And do you know what films he worked on?
Tommy Stathes
2023-12-16T01:21:12Z
Unless I'm missing something, I don't see what exactly links the Bray-produced Jerry on the Job cartoons with the earliest Terry Fables. A very slight stylistic similarity in one visual element, between both series of films, doesn't suggest that one artist or company was designing or supplying title cards or intertitles to multiple animation studios. There's little or no deductive reasoning in that kind of assumption/conclusion.

Think about it this way. Animated cartoons are made by animators, cartoonists, illustrators, and so forth. In other words, a team people who could...draw, and arguably also hand-letter text. What point would there be in going outside of one studio's own personnel, who are already doing whatever you need them to do for an hourly salary, and paying someone else on the outside to do something that one of your own guys can cook up really easily?

The original question or assumption, and some of the follow up responses, just don't add up to me. Unless I'm missing something—help me out!

Also, Leon Schlesinger was a businessman. His company, Pacific Title and Art, was in the business of supplying title cards for motion picture productions. This does not mean that he himself was a designer. He simply employed artists who designed and lettered the cards, so he could turn out a finish product for a client. Different business, but same structure as being an animation producer while not being an animator or director himself.

It's a little concerning to see folks jumping to other kinds of conclusions, only based on hearsay or simple misinterpretations in an internet forum...
S. C. MacPeter
2023-12-16T02:24:51Z
Leon was also on the other side of the states.

For these small studios, they probably designed intertitles themselves. It seems that one animator made of created a calligraphy that was traded around studios. I think that's what happened
PopKorn Kat
2023-12-16T02:28:09Z
Originally Posted by: Bonny MacLaren 

To cite an example, the Jerry on the Job series uses exactly the same kind of intertitles as the first cartoons produced by Paul Terry.



The lettering in the Jerry on the Job and Aesop's Film Fables examples you provided I wouldn't call "exactly" the same. Take a look at the quotation marks and the lowercase "g" used; those are clearly very different.
Tommy Stathes
2023-12-16T03:40:44Z
Again, I feel like I may be missing something here.

We're looking at a general concept practiced by multiple studios (hand-lettered intertitles with cartoons drawn around the text), yet apples and oranges as specific examples. This seems almost like taking anonymous old handwritten letters penned long ago by two different people, who wrote in cursive, and then deciding that both letters must have been written by the same person simply because they are written in cursive.

Jimmy Two Shoes
2023-12-16T11:14:58Z
Does anyone know if Bill Tytla did the title cards for Paul Terry's cartoons?

I can't find any evidence to support this, apart from dubious claims on the internet.
HectorJeckle
2023-12-25T00:33:52Z
Originally Posted by: Jimmy Two Shoes 

Does anyone know if Bill Tytla did the title cards for Paul Terry's cartoons?

I can't find any evidence to support this, apart from dubious claims on the internet.



This seems highly unlikely to me, since according to John Canemaker, Bill Tytla didn't join Paul Terry's studio until March 1923, although handwritten intertitles appeared in some of Aesop's Fables films as early as 1921. It's very plausible to think that Bill Tytla was then still just an inker or a plotter, or both, Tytla only becoming an animator in the mid-20s, one of his first animations appearing in the 1926 film HUNTING IN 1950 in the scene where the leopard starts to play the piano.
S. C. MacPeter
2023-12-25T14:16:15Z
Tytla began at the Paramount Cartoon Studio, and probably did intertitles there for both of the Terry brothers and other series. Heritage was selling a photo Tytla had of the staff towards the end of the run in 1921 (minus Messmer and Sullivan who didn't work within the studio space) after both Terry brothers had left. I was hoping to win this photo, but couldn't keep up in the end. At least we have a high rez file from the auction

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