ParamountCartoons
2016-10-06T23:28:35Z
I think this is sourced from a Laserdisc (I could be wrong, maybe a live-action movie DVD bonus feature)

http://cartoonresearch.c...gs-the-old-pioneer-1934/ 

Apparently, somebody was cleanup happy and set the DVNR on "High" resulting in the ugly mess that can only be saved by the bright 2-color Technicolor and sharp picture........

It was so distracting, I barely noticed the animator credits Devon added in the body of the cartoon.


I'm surprised nobody complained.............I must of been first to notice.


Did any other officially released Happy Harmonies that were produced by Harman-Ising get DVNR?
Cool_Cat
2016-10-08T12:23:56Z
That was done in the 90s remasters.

Usually there are more than one version stored at the WB Vault, but WB is very lazy at finding the right one.

For an example in the T&J Spotlight Collection they remastered the audio of Saturday Evening Puss because they were not aware the 90s transfer already had the original track along with the censored one.

The DVNR being so aggressive usually happens in Harman-Ising shorts. I haven't seen it many times on Tex Avery shorts.
Mesterius
2016-10-09T18:35:48Z
Originally Posted by: ParamountCartoons 

I think this is sourced from a Laserdisc (I could be wrong, maybe a live-action movie DVD bonus feature)

http://cartoonresearch.c...gs-the-old-pioneer-1934/ 

Apparently, somebody was cleanup happy and set the DVNR on "High" resulting in the ugly mess that can only be saved by the bright 2-color Technicolor and sharp picture........

It was so distracting, I barely noticed the animator credits Devon added in the body of the cartoon.


I'm surprised nobody complained.............I must of been first to notice.


Did any other officially released Happy Harmonies that were produced by Harman-Ising get DVNR?



I just checked a DVD rip I have of The Old Pioneer, and it has the exact same, god-awful DVNR. The source I believe is this Warner Bros. DVD set . I'm guessing the DVNR may have been added for the DVD edition because, according to this site , The Old Pioneer was not included on the Happy Harmonies laserdisc set.
Mesterius
2016-10-10T12:01:36Z
Originally Posted by: ParamountCartoons 

Apparently, somebody was cleanup happy and set the DVNR on "High" resulting in the ugly mess that can only be saved by the bright 2-color Technicolor and sharp picture........



By the way, I'm pretty sure that's Cinecolor. ๐Ÿ˜‰ It's certainly not Technicolor, as Disney had an exclusive deal with them lasting until 1935; and Technicolor was a 3-color process.
Cool_Cat
2016-10-10T14:32:26Z
These transfers were done around 1994 for TV broadcast. WB re used them for the DVD releases. This was the time when they made versions with blackface gags already cut and redubbed Mammy's voice.

Some were heavily DVNRed, the worst being One Ham's Family on which anything which moves gets erased, even the backgrounds.

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As I said before, they usually have more than one transfer done at the same time. For an example, the T&J short Little Runaway has one with DVNR and another one without (included in the Spotlight DVD).

The US Laserdiscs were released before these transfers were done, hence why they use older transfers which are DVNR free most of the time.
Cool_Cat
2016-10-10T19:18:01Z
This is a (incomplete) list of all the shorts which have been DVNRed in the 90s broadcast remasters:

The Bowling Alley Cat (NTSC master only)
The Lonesome Mouse (NTSC master only, first print)
Mouse in Manhattan
Kitty Foiled
Little Runaway (first print)
Just Ducky
Puss N Boats
Surf Bored Cat
The Dot and the Line
The Bear that Wasn't
Wags to Riches (first print)
Daredevil Droopy (first print)
Droopy's Good Deed (first print)
Three Little Pups (NTSC master only)
Caballero Droopy (PAL master only)
Blitz Wolf (first print)
Garden Gopher (first print)
Cock-a-Doodle Doo (first print)
One Ham's Family
Who Killed Who
Red Hot Riding Hood
The Car of Tomorrow
The Farm of Tomorrow
Half Pint Pygmy (yea they remastered it)
Home on the Range
Romeo in Rhytm
Tom Turkey and his Harmonica Humdinger
Little Cesario
Homeless Flea
Gallopin Gals
Dance of the Weed
Officer Pooch
The Rookie Bear
Bah Wilderness
Bear Raid Warden
The Unwelcome Guest
Goggle Fishing Bear
Discontent Canary (also technicolor layers don't match, saying unwatchable is being nice!)
The Old Pioneer
Toyland Broadcast
When's the Cat Away
The Calico Dragon
Poor Little Me
Honeyland
Alias St. Nick
Bottles
The Early Bird and the Worm
The Old Mill Pond
The Hound and the Rabbit
The Wayward Pups
Pipe Dreams
The Mad Maestro (the one on the DVD was the old print)
The Stork's Holiday
Two Little Pups
The Pups Picnic
The Little Goldfish
The Lost Chick
The Blue Danube
Good Little Monkeys
Barney's Polar Pest
The Prospecting Bear
The Bear that Couldn't Sleep



I'd really love to explore the WB Vault one day...
Cool_Cat
2016-10-12T16:26:52Z
I updated the list with more shorts.

It's still incomplete. I'd have to get hired by WB at this point ๐Ÿ˜›
Bobby Bickert
2016-10-15T15:28:42Z
Originally Posted by: Mesterius 

Originally Posted by: ParamountCartoons 

Apparently, somebody was cleanup happy and set the DVNR on "High" resulting in the ugly mess that can only be saved by the bright 2-color Technicolor and sharp picture........



By the way, I'm pretty sure that's Cinecolor. ๐Ÿ˜‰ It's certainly not Technicolor, as Disney had an exclusive deal with them lasting until 1935; and Technicolor was a 3-color process.



Disney had exclusive rights to the new 3-strip Technicolor process, but not the old 2-strip Technicolor process from the 1920's, which is what the other cartoon studios had to use, along with Cinecolor. (Personally I don't see why they used the 2-strip Technicolor process since it had a limited color palette compared to Cinecolor.)

Mesterius
2016-10-16T15:59:14Z
Originally Posted by: Bobby Bickert 

Originally Posted by: Mesterius 

Originally Posted by: ParamountCartoons 

Apparently, somebody was cleanup happy and set the DVNR on "High" resulting in the ugly mess that can only be saved by the bright 2-color Technicolor and sharp picture........



By the way, I'm pretty sure that's Cinecolor. ๐Ÿ˜‰ It's certainly not Technicolor, as Disney had an exclusive deal with them lasting until 1935; and Technicolor was a 3-color process.



Disney had exclusive rights to the new 3-strip Technicolor process, but not the old 2-strip Technicolor process from the 1920's, which is what the other cartoon studios had to use, along with Cinecolor. (Personally I don't see why they used the 2-strip Technicolor process since it had a limited color palette compared to Cinecolor.)



Thanks for the correction. I actually came across the mention of "2-strip Technicolor" a few times while browsing through Maltin's Of Mice and Magic the other day, and realized my Technicolor history knowledge was lacking.