dudeman316
2016-02-13T22:26:43Z
I need better copies of the following Looney Tunes if anyone can help me out:
Which is Witch
A Fox in a Fix
There Auto Be a Law
Easy Peckins
Mixed Master
Half Fare Hare
Bugsy and Mugsy
Hare-Less Wolf
Now Hare This
To Itch His Own
Dog Tales
Unnatural History
The Mouse on 57th Street
Prince Violent

thanks
LuckyToon
2016-02-13T23:06:35Z
Be aware of the regions when finding NTSC copies of those cartoons, because there are those takin from the UK and they are PAL region time-compressed copies (which they pitch up the soundtrack). You can easily tell by noticing the UK Cartoon Network or Boomerang logos placed in the upper right of the screen.
dudeman316
2016-02-14T12:40:03Z
what exactly is the noticeable difference? thanks
Blob55
2016-02-14T14:53:26Z
Originally Posted by: dudeman316 

what exactly is the noticeable difference? thanks



The pitch is different.
Red_Demon
2016-02-16T01:38:15Z
PAL vs. NTSC, the speed in which the cartoon plays. PAL will run about 15 seconds faster on a 7 minute cartoon. However, should you find a NTSC video, you can stretch a PAL audio and overlay with the right programs. The other way
is almost impossible, less you have access to more powerful programs than I have.
LuckyToon
2016-02-16T01:53:38Z
Originally Posted by: Red_Demon 

PAL vs. NTSC, the speed in which the cartoon plays. PAL will run about 15 seconds faster on a 7 minute cartoon. However, should you find a NTSC video, you can stretch a PAL audio and overlay with the right programs. The other way
is almost impossible, less you have access to more powerful programs than I have.



I know it's possible to pitch and stretch the audio back to NTSC on PAL region copies of cartoons on Adobe After Effects and Sony Vegas, I did that before.
Wolfie
2016-02-16T15:14:38Z
Please don't anybody take this the wrong way, but there seems to be a fair bit of confusion and some extremely questionable advice flying around here.

Firstly, if anyone thinks that the main identifying mark of a PAL recording is a UK logo, they need to look at this map:

https://upload.wikimedia.../0/0d/PAL-NTSC-SECAM.svg 

Secondly, although the outcome is roughly the same, the matter at hand is not generally referred to as "time compression", but as "PAL speed-up". It's not a choice, but a limitation of the broadcast format - footage shot at 24fps has to be speeded up slightly to match the 25fps/50Hz standard. The audio isn't deliberately pitched up; in fact, the whole thing (picture and sound) is running roughly 4% too fast, and the audio being higher is nothing but a side-effect of that. On the plus side, it's extremely smooth due to each frame being shown 1:1, unlike NTSC conversions, which can under certain circumstances be very juddery with their held fields.

To be clear: neither NTSC nor PAL are particularly adept when it comes to broadcasting footage shot at 24fps, but it's significantly easier to return a PAL recording to its original 24fps format than NTSC - simply interpret the clip as 24fps, and everything will run at the correct speed and pitch without issue. As an added bonus, it's also considerably higher resolution (576 vs 480 - about 20% better). I'm aware that North American televisions generally don't have PAL compatibility, but given all of the above, the main point is that avoiding PAL recordings all together is bordering on irrational.

dudeman316
2016-02-17T07:57:24Z
does anyone have these cartoons in decent to good quality?
Blob55
2016-02-22T08:13:59Z
Originally Posted by: Wolfie 

Please don't anybody take this the wrong way, but there seems to be a fair bit of confusion and some extremely questionable advice flying around here.

Firstly, if anyone thinks that the main identifying mark of a PAL recording is a UK logo, they need to look at this map:

https://upload.wikimedia.../0/0d/PAL-NTSC-SECAM.svg 

Secondly, although the outcome is roughly the same, the matter at hand is not generally referred to as "time compression", but as "PAL speed-up". It's not a choice, but a limitation of the broadcast format - footage shot at 24fps has to be speeded up slightly to match the 25fps/50Hz standard. The audio isn't deliberately pitched up; in fact, the whole thing (picture and sound) is running roughly 4% too fast, and the audio being higher is nothing but a side-effect of that. On the plus side, it's extremely smooth due to each frame being shown 1:1, unlike NTSC conversions, which can under certain circumstances be very juddery with their held fields.

To be clear: neither NTSC nor PAL are particularly adept when it comes to broadcasting footage shot at 24fps, but it's significantly easier to return a PAL recording to its original 24fps format than NTSC - simply interpret the clip as 24fps, and everything will run at the correct speed and pitch without issue. As an added bonus, it's also considerably higher resolution (576 vs 480 - about 20% better). I'm aware that North American televisions generally don't have PAL compatibility, but given all of the above, the main point is that avoiding PAL recordings all together is bordering on irrational.



What is SECAM? Does it also speed things up?
Cool_Cat
2016-02-22T13:02:29Z
I have all of them.

The shorts There Auto be a Law and Which is Witch were recorded from the Italian channel Rai 2, so I would have to sync the English audio from another source.
Cool_Cat
2016-02-22T13:04:40Z
The perfect quality ones I have are Bugsy and Mugsy ripped from my Laserdisc, and Now Hare This, Hare Less Wolf and Half Fare Hare from Boomerang.

A Fox in a Fix, Easy Peckins, Unnatural History and To Itch his Own all come from VHS tapes.
Wolfie
2016-02-22T23:06:53Z
Originally Posted by: Blob55 

What is SECAM? Does it also speed things up?


That's the system used mostly in French-speaking countries and behind the old Iron Curtain, and for the most part is being phased out. Neither SECAM nor PAL intrinsically speed anything up as they are colour systems, but countries that use those standards do indeed broadcast at 25fps. (That's because the electricity supply runs at 50Hz; it runs at 60Hz in NTSC countries.) You can retain the original speed of something shot at 24fps when converting to 25fps, but it means repeating one frame every second or a field every half-second, and that looks really juddery. Simply converting 1:1 (and therefore speeding it up) is much more common, though the alternative is not completely unheard of.
Cool_Cat
2016-02-23T04:31:19Z
You can revert the speedup in video editing programs like Sony Vegas. I used to do that all the time.

To be honest, it's not an huge speedup. I prefer that than when they blend frames to make it 25 fps.