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Classic Animation (pre 1970's) => Thunderbean Animation Releases and Offers => : Steve Stanchfield December 08, 2014, 07:13:15 PM

: Tons of Toons Shipped!
: Steve Stanchfield December 08, 2014, 07:13:15 PM
They're all out the door!
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: dbear December 09, 2014, 11:43:07 AM
Great news! Looking forward to receiving it!
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: Blubat8891 December 10, 2014, 10:30:11 AM
I got mine today. I am looking forward to watching it later.
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: Sinbad75 December 11, 2014, 12:47:35 PM
Mine showed today!  Can't wait!

PS - Sure looking forward to Blu-rays of Snafu, Hoppity Goes to Town (I Hope!) and SCRAPPY COLLECTION! (I REALLY HOPE!!)
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: vdubdavid December 13, 2014, 10:15:53 AM
My copy arrived Thursday and I've started watching it.

Thanks again Steve!
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: CPtoons December 13, 2014, 05:30:26 PM
I got mine and have watched it through already. Thanks, Steve!
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: Steve Stanchfield December 13, 2014, 09:05:36 PM
Did you folks like the set??
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: Leviathan December 13, 2014, 11:44:58 PM
'Still waiting for my set to come.
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: ToonStar95 December 13, 2014, 11:56:57 PM
Got mine two days ago. Nice work.
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: vdubdavid December 14, 2014, 10:28:26 AM
Did you folks like the set??

I did! It's a very eclectic mix of characters and eras, and seeing these original IB Technicolor prints is very interesting (just an observation, but the reds are so rich they seem to overwhelm the ink outlines, making just a big red mass).

It's also the first time in a long while (probably since The Popeye Show went off the air) that I've seen a good, clean copy of a Famous Studios Popeye.

Finally, I was surprised to find myself enjoying a short like "The Office Boy". Somewhat creaky animation, but the humor managed to make up for it.

So, yes, this was worth the money paid and if it leads to greater things in the future from Thunderbean, I'd gladly do it again.
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: Blubat8891 December 15, 2014, 07:17:55 PM
Did you folks like the set??

In my opinion, it was worth the money. I liked the variety and I found the stop motion shorts to be strangely amusing.
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: Paul Penna December 16, 2014, 06:38:41 PM
Wow! This has to be one of the best, if not the best of your "private" collections, both in technical quality - the prints themselves and the superb hi-def transfers - as well as selection. Great mix and every one a winner in one way or another.

If you can keep these going I'll keep snapping them up. Thanks!
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: Steve Stanchfield December 16, 2014, 09:37:03 PM
The transfer really did look pretty great on a lot of these films, and in the end, the set paid for itself transfer-wise, so I was able to transfer some things I can use on a 'real' set too! I'll do another coming up for sure... if anyone wants to put some screen shots up, feel free!
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: glabrous1 December 16, 2014, 10:09:11 PM
you've done it again, o'Duke of Detroit! t'anx!
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: FleischerFan December 17, 2014, 07:44:08 AM
Did I like it? Does Popeye like spinach? Is Felix's tail detachable? Does Pluto like bubble gum?

A great mix! It's so nice to have a copy of "Mouse Cleaning" and just as you did for Van Beuren, you are definitely becoming the "savior" of all things Kinex.

Now if only you can get permission to do a set of Puppetoons! ;)
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: Paul Penna December 18, 2014, 09:20:09 PM
Hey, Steve: The obsessive cataloger in me wonders if you could run down the 16/35mm print details on each title. Some of the 35s are obvious but others I'm not so sure. Thanks, and thanks again for a great disc!
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: Thad Komorowski December 20, 2014, 10:38:52 AM
Hey, Steve: The obsessive cataloger in me wonders if you could run down the 16/35mm print details on each title. Some of the 35s are obvious but others I'm not so sure. Thanks, and thanks again for a great disc!

Off the top of my head, the Popeye is from a 35mm IB, and The Office Boy is from a practically mint nitrate. The Disney and MGM titles are from 16mm IBs. They are VERY good for what  they are. I haven't shown this batch to my friend Bob Furmanek, but the last time I showed him one of Steve's fundraiser Blus, he was amazed at the quality of the 16mm transfers. "That wasn't from 35?"
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: Steve Stanchfield December 20, 2014, 05:54:35 PM
Ok.. I'll run 'em down.. been super busy getting CARTOON ROOTS out the door today (the blu-ray part was holding things up, and came today..)

A Boy and His Dog (1936, reissue print, 1953) 35mm IB Technicolor
Wot a Night (1931, 16mm print down, stock date 1949)
Clown of the Jungle (1948) 16mm Blue Track IB Technciolor
Circus (1932) 1945 printdown, 16mm
Beach Peach (1950) 35mm Ib technicolor original release print
The Office Boy (1930- original 35mm release print, Nitrate)
Mouse Cleaning (1948- 50's Ib Technicolor reissue print)
Bubble Bee (1948) Blue track Ib technicolor
Rabid Hunters (1931) 1942 reissue printdown, 16mm
Out West (1929) original release Kodak Cinegragh print, 16mm
Cinegrapgh Sweepstakes (1930) Original release Kodak Cinegragh print, 16mm
Hector the Pup (1935) Original release print or thereabouts on 1936 stock (with the 1935 scratched out!)
The Smoke Scream (1930) Likely early 40s print.
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: looneytooney December 20, 2014, 07:52:36 PM
Ok.. I'll run 'em down.. been super busy getting CARTOON ROOTS out the door today (the blu-ray part was holding things up, and came today..)

A Boy and His Dog (1936, reissue print, 1953) 35mm IB Technicolor
Wot a Night (1931, 16mm print down, stock date 1949)
Clown of the Jungle (1948) 16mm Blue Track IB Technciolor
Circus (1932) 1945 printdown, 16mm
Beach Peach (1950) 35mm Ib technicolor original release print
The Office Boy (1930- original 35mm release print, Nitrate)
Mouse Cleaning (1948- 50's Ib Technicolor reissue print)
Bubble Bee (1948) Blue track Ib technicolor
Rabid Hunters (1931) 1942 reissue printdown, 16mm
Out West (1929) original release Kodak Cinegragh print, 16mm
Cinegrapgh Sweepstakes (1930) Original release Kodak Cinegragh print, 16mm
Hector the Pup (1935) Original release print or thereabouts on 1936 stock (with the 1935 scratched out!)
The Smoke Scream (1930) Likely early 40s print.

Nice! You got that RABID HUNTERS print after all! :)
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: Steve Stanchfield December 20, 2014, 10:19:45 PM
I DID- and I think that was your fault- thanks much! It's a little beat up, but it's the only print of this cartoon I've seen with the original titles...
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: NicKramer December 21, 2014, 12:37:57 AM
Oh, yes, "Bubble Bee".  That's one of my personal favorite Pluto shorts. 
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: looneytooney December 21, 2014, 01:18:24 AM
I DID- and I think that was your fault- thanks much! It's a little beat up, but it's the only print of this cartoon I've seen with the original titles...

Original titles, too? Nice.
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: Paul Penna December 21, 2014, 01:42:32 AM
Thanks, Steve and Thad!
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: tonyboy85 December 21, 2014, 02:50:15 AM
Ok.. I'll run 'em down.. been super busy getting CARTOON ROOTS out the door today (the blu-ray part was holding things up, and came today..)

A Boy and His Dog (1936, reissue print, 1953) 35mm IB Technicolor
Wot a Night (1931, 16mm print down, stock date 1949)
Clown of the Jungle (1948) 16mm Blue Track IB Technciolor
Circus (1932) 1945 printdown, 16mm
Beach Peach (1950) 35mm Ib technicolor original release print
The Office Boy (1930- original 35mm release print, Nitrate)
Mouse Cleaning (1948- 50's Ib Technicolor reissue print)
Bubble Bee (1948) Blue track Ib technicolor
Rabid Hunters (1931) 1942 reissue printdown, 16mm
Out West (1929) original release Kodak Cinegragh print, 16mm
Cinegrapgh Sweepstakes (1930) Original release Kodak Cinegragh print, 16mm
Hector the Pup (1935) Original release print or thereabouts on 1936 stock (with the 1935 scratched out!)
The Smoke Scream (1930) Likely early 40s print.

Excuse me, Steve,
But here are the real release dates of
the 2 Disney cartoons:

"Clown of the Jungle" - 6/20/1947

"Bubble Bee" - 6/24/1949
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: Retro00064 December 21, 2014, 02:59:41 AM
Great stuff!

Seeing that Famous Studios Popeye cartoon in an HD 35mm Technicolor transfer was a new experience. Great-condition print with so few missing frames... it even has a complete end title (it's just a shame that almost every frame in the print is nicked in the same places). Always great to see Technicolor prints of Paramount cartoons.

The print of Mouse Cleaning looks brilliant and sounds nice. Many thanks, Thad.

Assuming the super-colorful 16mm Technicolor print of Clown of the Jungle is the one ParamountCartoons bought, thanks to him as well.

The 35mm print of The Office Boy looks and sounds terrific.

Thanks for another fantastic set!
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: Mark The Shark December 21, 2014, 09:04:49 AM
Great stuff, thanks again. I am trying to keep all these together and keep a list of what's on all of them. I know at one point Steve did a run down of all the "special" DVDs (and now MPEGs and Blus) he'd done, I guess I could also look through the archives for that. Just want to stay on top of it. You never know what you'll get. I've been introduced to some things I'm sure I never otherwise would have seen. Thank you!
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: Steve Stanchfield December 21, 2014, 11:40:20 AM
Great stuff!

Seeing that Famous Studios Popeye cartoon in an HD 35mm Technicolor transfer was a new experience. Great-condition print with so few missing frames... it even has a complete end title (it's just a shame that almost every frame in the print is nicked in the same places). Always great to see Technicolor prints of Paramount cartoons.

The print of Mouse Cleaning looks brilliant and sounds nice. Many thanks, Thad.

Assuming the super-colorful 16mm Technicolor print of Clown of the Jungle is the one ParamountCartoons bought, thanks to him as well.

The 35mm print of The Office Boy looks and sounds terrific.

Thanks for another fantastic set!

Someone DIDN'T like that print of Mouse Cleaning and asked for a refund, saying it was lacking in color and too many scratches... but that's ok... personally I thought the color looked beautiful- the print did have some wear, but when are you going to be able to see Mouse Cleaning the way it originally looked?

Clown does indeed belong to Paramount Cartoons. He's nursing his mouth right now, having had his wisdom teeth removed Friday. Ouch! Wish him well!
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: The Dogfather/Toadette December 21, 2014, 11:51:35 AM
Yipe! I hope you get well soon, Luke.
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: Thad Komorowski December 21, 2014, 03:36:00 PM

Someone DIDN'T like that print of Mouse Cleaning and asked for a refund, saying it was lacking in color and too many scratches... but that's ok... personally I thought the color looked beautiful- the print did have some wear, but when are you going to be able to see Mouse Cleaning the way it originally looked?

These are the kinds of people who deserve to be deported. And it cost what, $15? What a MORON.
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: ryanhoek December 21, 2014, 06:28:19 PM
Yes indeed ...what a maroon! I would agree to the refund but would tell him to never order another fundraiser disc or Thunderbean project. I would refuse to deal with such a petty unrealistic jerk. Good luck to him finding decent prints of these things.



Someone DIDN'T like that print of Mouse Cleaning and asked for a refund, saying it was lacking in color and too many scratches... but that's ok... personally I thought the color looked beautiful- the print did have some wear, but when are you going to be able to see Mouse Cleaning the way it originally looked?

These are the kinds of people who deserve to be deported. And it cost what, $15? What a MORON.
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: Steve Stanchfield December 22, 2014, 07:59:21 AM
YIPES!  :jerry:  Don't be TOO hard on him. he's a member of the forum for sure and a cartoony person...he bought the set just for that cartoon, so, even though I was surprised, I kind of understand.... :twoshoes:
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: Thad Komorowski December 22, 2014, 09:10:30 PM
A disc of high-def rarities and he complains about the "lack of color" on an IB Tech. That guy needs to be in a straightjacket.
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: ryanhoek December 22, 2014, 09:42:54 PM
You are simply too kind and generous,Steve.
YIPES!  :jerry:  Don't be TOO hard on him. he's a member of the forum for sure and a cartoony person...he bought the set just for that cartoon, so, even though I was surprised, I kind of understand.... :twoshoes:
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: Retro00064 December 23, 2014, 12:13:18 AM
Something must not have been configured right on his end. This transfer has much better color than the old Turner TV transfer of the cartoon, and much better audio as well. Some of the reds (such as  :twoshoes:'s red coat) are so saturated that if the brightness, contrast/gain, or color saturation is set a little too high (either in the settings for your display or if the player is pumping it up) then the red overtakes the lines.

As for the "too many scratches" comment, that's just indicative of the typical "film" buff mentality.

Attached are a few frames from the transfer, taken from the Blu-ray. Other than having been resized from 1080p to 540p, these screenshots are accurate to the video encoded on the Blu-ray. How are they "lacking in color"?
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: Professor Bluteau December 23, 2014, 09:07:21 AM
Just arrived this morning here in the UK - what a pleasant surprise! Given the time of year, I wasn't expecting it to get to me until early in 2015. I'll be watching it later tonight.  :)

Thanks as always, Steve!
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: Steve Stanchfield December 23, 2014, 10:38:32 AM
When I put together the disc, I did think the reds were a little too hot- you want to stay accurate to the prints but still deal with the best look for HD... I'm  thinking I should have toned them all down just a bit! Gulliver was especially hard to get the color timing good on... it was all over the place color timing-wise shot for shot...

When you do a telecine transfer, you do a basic color adjustment and lots and lots of other adjustments. Pat and I have a bunch of settings that we've saved in the Telecine suite, so when we do an IB tech print, we pull up all the other IB tech prints we've done for settings, looking for ones that are close to the color content of the actual print. Most of the films transferred in this session were based on the color timing of a print of Texas Tom. The Blue-tracks were timed based on a blu-track transfer of a cartoon, and the Popeye was timed based on one of the Noveltoons transfer sessions, with little adjustment...

To me, these discs are the next best thing to the old screening parties we'd have showing old cartoons.. miss those days!
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: NicKramer December 23, 2014, 01:32:52 PM
Honestly, from the screenshots posted, the transfer looks very good.  I mean, sure, the colors are a little bright, but this is what I would expect the restored print would look like had Warners went ahead and release it on Blu-Ray.  I don't see why that one guy complained about it lacking color. 
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: Retro00064 December 27, 2014, 04:08:13 AM
Well Steve, Mouse Cleaning and Clown of the Jungle are the only two on the set in which I noticed red that bright (the color in Bubble Bee actually seems a little less strong than I would expect from the average Technicolor print, though I'm totally fine with it if that's what the print looks like). If the red on those two prints is as bright as (or brighter than) in the transfers then I can't say I have a problem with them.

I love these special sets for three reasons: 1. The rarities (including rare original prints) that you put on them (EDIT: I like the high-quality transfers of the other prints also, but especially the 35mm prints, high-quality 16mm prints, and prints with rare footage like original titles); 2. I like being able to see these prints in their actual state (i.e. unrestored) (aside from base scratches being hidden in the case of wet-gate transfers, which is perfectly fine with me); (3) and because of that, NO modern-day revisionism: any flaws that have always been a part of the picture are there and the original reel change cues from the camera negative are intact (if the negative had them and the frames containing them are intact on the print).

On another note, here's the photos of the 35mm print of The Office Boy from the eBay listing for the print from back in August. Thought I'd post them because it's cool to see what the physical film strip looks like and you rarely get to see that. What you see in the photos is an extremely rare antique item!
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: Paul Penna December 28, 2014, 12:12:30 AM
On the images of the film strips, it's interesting to see a vintage example of the pre-Academy Ratio sound-on-film aspect ratio. And on the strip with the opening title card: note how the artwork, particularly of the elephant, extends beyond the dark vertical "frame" line at the left. The process that led to this would be interesting to delve into.
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: Tom Stathes December 28, 2014, 02:47:33 PM
And on the strip with the opening title card: note how the artwork, particularly of the elephant, extends beyond the dark vertical "frame" line at the left. The process that led to this would be interesting to delve into.

I could be wrong, but looks to be like the picture was printed on the film first and then the soundtrack area, with a misalignment, hence the overlapping. Lots of interesting things to see when actually handling or looking at the original prints  :minnie:
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: Treadwell December 30, 2014, 12:16:42 AM
I noticed that, too. Also, I might have seen one, but never taken notice before of a unilateral optical track.
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: Leviathan December 30, 2014, 04:36:23 PM
Steve, please check your PM's. Please. It's Important.

Nice set, BTW. Zero complaints.
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: Retro00064 January 04, 2015, 05:07:11 AM
Yeah, the vertical "line" is apparently simply the right side of the track area, and when the print was made, a little too much of the picture was printed widthwise, considerably overlapping the track. The sliver of picture that extends past the "line" is where it is overlapping the clear part of the track that represents the audio.
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: duck dodgers January 04, 2015, 05:41:07 AM
Waiting for me, hoping to get it soon.
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: duck dodgers January 05, 2015, 09:54:24 AM
Got it todat, terrific! You're great, Steve! Another marvellous disc of classic theatrical animated goodies!
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: dbear January 05, 2015, 10:38:10 AM
Finally got around to watching the Blu ray. All the shorts look really, really good! Fantastic mix, as well! Yes, some are a little more beat up and softer than others but there's a certain beauty seeing raw, unrestored HD transfers. Thanks, Steve!
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: Steve Stanchfield January 05, 2015, 05:51:55 PM
Glad they made it out your way finally!

I've been thinking of doing another again- perhaps putting a live action/animated feature on a blu-ray, then other stuff on another disc (a sort of two for one...). Maybe the other blu-ray disc could be another animated feature in its original form since there are some technicolor prints here in 35mm...