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#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:08:08 AM(UTC)
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A while back, an unnamed source gave me a copy of the 1965 print

OK, first off there is no CBS "In Color" bumper nor filmed commercials. However, the main bumpers that I.D. Coca-Cola sponsors are happily intact on the print.



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And the can they throw snowballs at is still a regular can, nor the can that Lucy's psychiatry booth is red. There may have been an integrated commercial after Charlie Brown and Linus get the tree, but the print doesn't have it.

And with that out of the way, let's make the noticeable differences in the 1965 version.


The beginning of the special goes out as normal as we see today, but once they get to the frozen pond the music is more synchronized (note when the singing starts after Charlie's complaining and where Snoopy is. In the regular version, it's later) During the main title shot the sound effects are much different both the wobble of the tree and the plop of the snow, And when Linus crashes into the Coca-Cola sign the lost lyrics (presumably from an unreleased alternate take) fade out earlier and the sound effect is louder than the YouTube versions.

There's less sound effects during the Lucy booth scene


When Snoopy decorates his doghouse "Christmas Time Is Here" plays instead of the more upbeat "Surfin' Snoopy". I believe the latter song was introduced in "Charlie Brown's All-Stars". And when Charlie Brown reads the ad, the voice is softer. And for some reason, Chalie Brown's voice from the Disneyland/Vista read-alongs is spliced in the soundtrack, then quickly reverts back to the Peter Robbins voice..

Next scene in, when Charlie Brown is greeted as director, Snoopy's howling is much scarier.

There's no music playing until the 'Linus and Lucy" dance. And that sequence had plenty of bad splices in the print.

When rehearsing, Lucy gives "five good reasons". But in this version, we don't see a close-up of her hand.

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There's no 'Blah" sound by Snoopy after licking Lucy

Snoopy's dish is white in the rehearsal and the sound effects are clank sounds with no cartoonish sounds.

There is not much music during the rehearsal scenes.

The long shot of the dancing is played for an additional time. In later versions, they're in their coustumes.

Lucy's fingers don't make a snapping sound when she likes the music.


When Charlie Brown tries to find a tree Linus doesn't bang on the aluminum tree.

As I've said before, either a live-action or intergrated Coke commercial plays after leaving the place, I can hear where the cut is.

Next scene goes as normal, but there's no music, nor does Schroeder makes a drumroll sound while spinning.

Linus' speech is intact.

Once Charlie Brown is eager to decorate the tree there is no fade out to commercial. That was for later versions. It just immediately cut to Chalrie Brown's shock of Snoopy winning first prize. Also, Charlie Brown's mouth moves similar to a Muppet.

Charlie Brown blushes after the tree is decorated,and Snoopy sings like a human


The Coke website says there's a spot afterwards where Schulz thanks Coca-Cola for sponsoring "A Charlie Brown Christmas".

There is no "The End" copyright screen in this print.



EDIT: I rewatched my Blu-ray and noticed more differences.

Edited by user Sunday, January 21, 2018 12:23:21 AM(UTC)  | Reason: more changes

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:41:17 AM(UTC)
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Nice coverage! Thanks!
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This is amazing stuff!!!!!
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Beautiful. Someday I'd love to see this.
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Is the version ABC airs and Paramount and WHV put on home video a later reedit or did they make those changes when it was released on VHS, laserdisc, or DVD & Blu-ray?

I know on modern showings of Great Pumpkin they make small edits to fit the schedule and input commercials, but this is much more than simply trimming a scene.

(Thank you so much for uploading this. It's wonderful to learn more about my favorite franchise.)
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#6 Posted : Sunday, August 13, 2017 8:58:19 PM(UTC)
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Is the version ABC airs and Paramount and WHV put on home video a later reedit or did they make those changes when it was released on VHS, laserdisc, or DVD & Blu-ray?

I know on modern showings of Great Pumpkin they make small edits to fit the schedule and input commercials, but this is much more than simply trimming a scene.

(Thank you so much for uploading this. It's wonderful to learn more about my favorite franchise.)


It's a later reedit, allthough the The End reissue card varies by home video release. Some would cut, some would fade in/fade out. But the singing is all silenced in these reissue versions. All of the 60s specials were silenced due to early broadcasts giving "best wishes" (or in Christmas' case, "Merry Christmas") to that year's sponsor(s).

The first few broadcasts had the Coca-Cola sign at the beginning, but disappeared sometime between 1969 and 1972.(I really don't know, maybe it was earlier).

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Sorry for necroposting, but this is really nice. Is there a possibility that we may see the complete original broadcast print of this cartoon sometime in the near future?
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Sorry for necroposting, but this is really nice. Is there a possibility that we may see the complete original broadcast print of this cartoon sometime in the near future?



Coca-Cola did offer the Schulz family estate the original cut recently, but Schulz family turned it down due to the fact that it defeats the message of the special. Which is a little stupid because other Peanuts specials had Coke as one of the sponsors.

The Paley Center for Media used to have it available but when I went there they only had the 2007 broadcast with commercials edited out.(Maybe they still do have the original available, I don't know).It's also hoarded by collectors, and one of those collectors recently passed away.
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Sorry for necroposting, but this is really nice. Is there a possibility that we may see the complete original broadcast print of this cartoon sometime in the near future?



Coca-Cola did offer the Schulz family estate the original cut recently, but Schulz family turned it down due to the fact that it defeats the message of the special. Which is a little stupid because other Peanuts specials had Coke as one of the sponsors.

The Paley Center for Media used to have it available but when I went there they only had the 2007 broadcast with commercials edited out.(Maybe they still do have the original available, I don't know).It's also hoarded by collectors, and one of those collectors recently passed away.

So we were spared a highly different print that seems to be the original version because of how it affects the program's message while the edited version (the one that still airs today) is being used for virtually anything related to the special? That doesn't add up.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:25:45 PM(UTC)
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Sorry for necroposting, but this is really nice. Is there a possibility that we may see the complete original broadcast print of this cartoon sometime in the near future?



Coca-Cola did offer the Schulz family estate the original cut recently, but Schulz family turned it down due to the fact that it defeats the message of the special. Which is a little stupid because other Peanuts specials had Coke as one of the sponsors.

The Paley Center for Media used to have it available but when I went there they only had the 2007 broadcast with commercials edited out.(Maybe they still do have the original available, I don't know).It's also hoarded by collectors, and one of those collectors recently passed away.

So we were spared a highly different print that seems to be the original version because of how it affects the program's message while the edited version (the one that still airs today) is being used for virtually anything related to the special? That doesn't add up.





That, and the distrubutors (Warners, Paramount, etc.) don't have enough to clear money from The Coca-Cola Company.




Look, I don't know why the original broadcast hasn't been accessible for years. When doing the making of documentary for the first Warners release, they couldn't find the Coca-Cola opening.

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on December 16th 2017 in my new hometown Vermillion South Dakota, at the theater I work at
the Coyote Twin will show A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) and Elf (2003) at 11:00 am

I think my theater will be showing the Warner Bros remaster bluray,



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on December 16th 2017 in my new hometown Vermillion South Dakota, at the theater I work at
the Coyote Twin will show A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) and Elf (2003) at 11:00 am

I think my theater will be showing the Warner Bros remaster bluray,




They most certainly will.......the original version hasn't been released anywhere and has since become forgotten by the public. Warner didn't have the rights to put back the Coca-Cola sponsors, and neither did Paramount.
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Is there any chance at all that you could make those two Coca Cola scenes available? The image quality looks great from the pictures you've posted and myself and many others would be very grateful to see how it looked!
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Is there any chance at all that you could make those two Coca Cola scenes available? The image quality looks great from the pictures you've posted and myself and many others would be very grateful to see how it looked!


I second this.
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Sorry for necroposting, but this is really nice. Is there a possibility that we may see the complete original broadcast print of this cartoon sometime in the near future?



Coca-Cola did offer the Schulz family estate the original cut recently, but Schulz family turned it down due to the fact that it defeats the message of the special. Which is a little stupid because other Peanuts specials had Coke as one of the sponsors.

The Paley Center for Media used to have it available but when I went there they only had the 2007 broadcast with commercials edited out.(Maybe they still do have the original available, I don't know).It's also hoarded by collectors, and one of those collectors recently passed away.

I know but making the film ITSELF,and releasing on home media is commercialism itself
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:22:33 AM(UTC)
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Sorry for necroposting, but this is really nice. Is there a possibility that we may see the complete original broadcast print of this cartoon sometime in the near future?



Coca-Cola did offer the Schulz family estate the original cut recently, but Schulz family turned it down due to the fact that it defeats the message of the special. Which is a little stupid because other Peanuts specials had Coke as one of the sponsors.

The Paley Center for Media used to have it available but when I went there they only had the 2007 broadcast with commercials edited out.(Maybe they still do have the original available, I don't know).It's also hoarded by collectors, and one of those collectors recently passed away.

I know but making the film ITSELF,and releasing on home media is commercialism itself





If that's the case, I strongly believe CBS, ABC, Paramount, Hi-Tops, Shell Oil, Warners, UFS, Peanuts Worldwide/DHX Media and the Schulz family are pretending that Coke's temptation for Lee Mendelson to lie and have FULL sponsorship of the show when it was completed, causing Coke to have CBS air it no matter what never existed. I believe with the sponsorless version available, the full 1965 broadcast should be too. Without Coca-Cola, THERE WOULD BE NO CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS SPECIAL.

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